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A Norseman
yes it will. I actually found a typo in my own comment ! ("mproved"). oh, bother.
posted by
mneme
on December 21, 2006 at 5:16 AM
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That last one was
not intentional, really. I started typing before the page was ready and it got all screwed up...won't happen again.
posted by
A_Norseman
on December 15, 2006 at 5:51 PM
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camn do Whimsey...I'll see what
I always spell check posts...comments are usually done in a more hurried fasion and I don't always proof read them, they are comments...but I will for you.
posted by
A_Norseman
on December 15, 2006 at 5:48 PM
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Oh, mneme, thanks for the laugh...
I really needed that! I'm so glad everyone is getting such a charge out of this topic! I never realized that spelling and grammar could be so funny!
Believe me, I do have a sense of humor and I know that there are times that people won't use the spell check but it would be nice if they do it regularly for the rest of us.
Sorry to be so particular...
posted by
whimsystoryteller
on December 15, 2006 at 4:18 PM
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whimsystoryteller, sorry again
- just delete the second comment - I'm having a dyslexic moment.
posted by
mneme
on December 15, 2006 at 3:52 PM
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and I should have spell-checked the subject bar, shouldn't I?
posted by
mneme
on December 15, 2006 at 3:50 PM
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whimsystoryteller
I agree with you completely about spelling errors, grammar and so on, and at the same time I see PP's point about it not interfering with the gist of what the person is trying to say.
Personally I would not be satisfied with putting out an unchecked post, and I read it as it goes up in case I have missed anything. I nearly always find something. I have my pet hates too, but skip over those. I wonder occasionally whether some corrective comments might be helpful, but am not sure if my impulse to offer proof-reading would be welcomed!
I suppose it comes down to personal choice, but then we could remember that we are presenting ourselves as writers, primarily, and poor presentation is generally a bar to publishing success.
The idea that it doesn't really matter how something is said, in everday speech, is one that jarred with me as an undergraduate, and I don't see the need for that point of view to prevail against the established literary tradition. There needs to be a balance - ideas can be stifled by editing, but once you get them down, they can usually be mproved on. Depends how seriously you take your writing.
So while the casual approach may be closer to the everyday, and so might poor spelling and grammar, when future generations look back at this period they are going to find the written word. I wonder what they'd conclude, sometimes, when unedited vocalisation is translated into electronic print.
Interesting topic, and room for both points of view.
posted by
mneme
on December 15, 2006 at 3:49 PM
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Okay, Prof. Peabody...
First of all, maybe facial hair is a beginning sign of the male's physical maturity but it is not sexually related. From my perspective, the only area women really need to shave at all down there is the bikini area for wearing a bathing suit. But when a man is turned on by a woman who has no hair pubicly, I think there's something strange in his head.
Regarding fantasies, I know that we all have them but the only ones I have are about the man I love and intend to spend my life with. I don't read Romance novels and never have and consider them disgusting. On that point, we agree wholeheartedly. I especially agree about the part about the rape scenes. No one needs to fill their heads with that trash. However, I think it's written mainly out of a lot of women's fear of being raped. Sadly, that fear has plenty of basis.
Now, about the grammar and spelling. Any time you are writing for others to read, it's just common courtesy to be considerate of your readers. Just so you know, I am a law librarian and I minored in English and I'm a real writer and was taught that you never put out something - no matter what it is - that isn't your best. It shows a lack of respect for yourself and the people you are writing to. I realize that a blog by nature is a bit relaxed in expectation but when there are so many misspelled words in a post that requires me to decipher what the person is trying to say, it's absurd. Especially when this site comes with its own spell check. It's just a matter of common courtesy and manners.
Maybe I expect a lot more because I grew up and was taught in a time when people didn't pass kids through school if they couldn't read and write properly. And, I 'm real grateful for that education.
posted by
whimsystoryteller
on December 15, 2006 at 2:40 PM
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Providing context...
Jeeeese! This is what happens when we play "telephone" (you know, the kid's game where you whisper something in one kid's ear, who whispers it into another's, until, finally, the original comment is unintelligible). My comment to Blanche that, in my 25 years of reading Playboy, the models have gone from naturally full & hairy to neatly trimmed to "weird" geometric patterns formed (although I do like the little arrow pointing downwards, since men HATE to ask for directions) to now, an almost universal bald as a cueball look. My concern, however, is when the hairless look is combined with white knee socks, saddle shoes, pig tails and oversized lollipops. Yechh!
BTW, you jumped on Norse's neck pretty darn quick. He was making an analogy (or is it metaphor? simile?) about men's facial hair. Since facial hair is one of the first signs of maturity in boys, the comparison with girls's pubic hair is completely appropriate.
Both genders have their fantasies; since men are more visual (Playboy has a circulation in the millions, while Playgirl, the female "equivalent" never surpassed "Workbench" magazine) their fantasies tend to be more visual. But women have their "bents" too; Harlequin Romances and the like sell hundreds of millions of copies; but those fantasies are about the "perfect" man; rich oil tycoon who climbs everest & writes poetry, for example. And speaking of "weirdness", most of those romance novels have simulated rape scenes in them (they don't call them "bodice rippers" for nothing!)
And would you , for the love of Pete, get off your high-horse about spelling, grammar & punctuation? Everyone accepts that blogging has more relaxed rules than your high school term paper. Heck, the term "blog" itself didn't exist 5 or 10 years ago! Do you understand the writer's posts? Do you get the gist of their arguments & comments? Quit trying to be Marian the Librarian!
Spell checked for your convenience.
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on December 15, 2006 at 12:35 AM
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Dear Norseman, one more thing...
would you please check your spelling before posting? It makes it a real challenge to read your comments when many of your words are misspelled. Thank you.
posted by
whimsystoryteller
on December 14, 2006 at 10:29 PM
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Norseman...
It may not be a crucial part of your sex life but there are a lot of men out there who obsess over it. The point is that it may only be hair to you but most women I know feel it is part of being a woman and not a girl. I still think it's awfully strange.
posted by
whimsystoryteller
on December 14, 2006 at 10:27 PM
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Whimsystoryteller...
I promise...no one that knows me would refer to me as dense, I give you a pass since you obviously don't know me. In my comment I was trying to illustrate absurdity with absurdity...It just hair for crying out loud! Wether it's pubic hair or facial hair...it's just hair.
I think in these times of horrific crimes against children, and all other sorts of heinous acts, it comforts us to be able to point to a particular behavior and blame it for the worlds atrocities. Pedophilia is a severe sickness of the soul, not to be taken lightly.
The fact is that pedophiles like children...as perverted and wrong as that is. A true pedophile wont waste their time with shaved women...it's not the hair that makes the difference, it's the innocence, the vulnerability that only a child posseses. They are broken people that do not function properly. It's not the hair.
The only problem I have with saying that men who prefer shaved women have pedophilic tendancies is that there are multitudes of men...and women, maybe even millions who find the absense of hair in that region preferable...for whatever reason. Maybe they think it is more attractive, maybe they think it is just more convenient, the point is, they are not pedophiles and I feel it is wrong to paint them as such.
I don't have any hard feelings. The presense of hair is not a critical factor in my personal life. I just felt I should speak up for the people who may have felt undeservably painted by the pedophile brush. That's all.
posted by
A_Norseman
on December 13, 2006 at 11:51 PM
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Hey, Offbeats...
Hee, Hee, Hee to your comment. You made me laugh. Thanks.
posted by
whimsystoryteller
on December 13, 2006 at 6:22 PM
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Okay, Norsemen...
If you are so dense that you don't know that there's a difference between facial hair and pubic hair when it comes to sexual context, you really have a problem.
posted by
whimsystoryteller
on December 13, 2006 at 6:21 PM
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HUMMM
I better stay out of this one
posted by
Offy
on December 13, 2006 at 6:16 PM
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I will agree that it is disheartening to me to see the rate of popularity
with wafer thin women. That is an ideal some people literally die to acheive. Some people say that the attraction that some men have to these waifs reveal their obsession with pre-pubescent boys...eeew! sick! I know their are a lot of perves out there but I just hope that's not really the case.
posted by
mysteria
on December 13, 2006 at 6:13 PM
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Norseman...the very same thought occured to me
I think it is okay to alter what nature gives us to the extent that it pleases us. I shave my area so I can feel sensation betterer...I lost some of my sensation in my pubic area because of being molested as a child by grown men. I sometimes have problems knowing whether I have to pee or not. The connections in my brain were severed due to trauma. Hope I am not being too graphic here but the truth is good to speak, at least for me :)
posted by
mysteria
on December 13, 2006 at 6:05 PM
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Actually...I thought about it some more,
By that logic...it could also be said that women who prefer men with shaved faces prefer boys? Men have beards, they grow naturally right? When did they start shaving them off, and why?
posted by
A_Norseman
on December 13, 2006 at 5:59 PM
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Whimsey...
This is a repost of the comment I left on Blanches blog...it still applies. In short, there is no connection between shaving ones pubic region and pedophilia, men frequently shave down there too you know (not me of course, but other men).
Blanche...
I have never thought of shaved nether regions at all in the context of pedophilia...rather, the hair is simply a natural obstruction which, once removed....allows an "admirer" of the woman form an unfettered glance at the geography of her femininity...and access thereto.
posted by
A_Norseman
on December 13, 2006 at 5:56 PM
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well, since you asked me a question, and then answered it yourself
I guess there is no point in going on. I can see why you and blanche agree; you are cut from the same cloth.
posted by
David1Spirit
on December 13, 2006 at 5:41 PM
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C'mon, Scoop...
We have to deal with these issues. Pretending they don't exist is why so many people's lives have been destroyed by ignoring them.
posted by
whimsystoryteller
on December 13, 2006 at 5:40 PM
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Why do you want women shaved?
What is the turn on? Have you ever really thought about it? And, I'm not talking about a little shaved, I'm talking about men who like it bare? That's a little girl. That's disgusting.
posted by
whimsystoryteller
on December 13, 2006 at 5:37 PM
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This is way to much sharing of information
posted by
scoop
on December 13, 2006 at 5:23 PM
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Well, just because some of us prefer it a little shaved "down there"
doesn't make us into something awful with pediphile tendencies.
Maybe it's just a preference.
posted by
David1Spirit
on December 13, 2006 at 5:23 PM
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