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posted by _Symphony_ on November 29, 2006 at 6:20 AM | link to this | reply

That should say and RI and Fourcats!

posted by Antonionioni on November 29, 2006 at 12:14 AM | link to this | reply

Nice to see a few of you popped in while I was upstairs, asleep.
Thanks for keeping quiet. I hope you got some help on the cuisine front, Blanche. And MC, thanks for your thoughts! AndI and Fourcats!

posted by Antonionioni on November 29, 2006 at 12:13 AM | link to this | reply

Marie-Claire, you are too deep for me today, I am thinking of goals

and aspirations.  I can hardly keep up with the 3 of you, my mind scatters and wanders, then gets up and goes several other things, flitting from kitchen to dining nook to laundry, bathroom and bedroom, doing bits and pieces in each, but not to completion, because I cannot, my restless wandering spirit, will not allow it

I began to make tea an hour ago and am only now sitting down to have it, with leftover apple pie with cheese on it, after I forgot and put the glass plate with pie into the microwave and it popped and shattered as I was listening to M describe he had a fight with a coworker on the phone, while he's driving, with the cellphone.  Now the dishwasher is running, I am scurrying to tidy up, here there and everywhere. I can hardly focus.

posted by Blanche. on November 28, 2006 at 5:04 PM | link to this | reply

tony - i used to work at a bar and had a favorite dream about
overwhelming a would-be thief, using serving trays and spraying drink nozzles to beat him down and subdue him.  ridiculous but fun.  god only knows what a therapist would say about it!, lol.

posted by fourcats on November 28, 2006 at 4:57 PM | link to this | reply

blanche - he says "i know nothing about cooking, excuse me. marieclaire?
where is she?  marieclaire?  help me!"  or so my french memory says, anyway.

posted by fourcats on November 28, 2006 at 4:49 PM | link to this | reply

I must admit, i was speaking for myself, about fantasy versus reality.
to me fantasy brings inevitable disappointment and disparagement, i was speaking for myself. My dream life is much more perfect than reality, and i have trouble coming back down to earth. Dreaming is healthy up to a point, I think balance is the key here. Something I struggle with. I guess some people make a living out of fantasy, not the dirty stuff, but novelists, they are dream merchants. Yes, I think that would be my ideal occupation, do you like it "dream merchant", that really tickles my fancy....ah.

posted by marieclaire66 on November 28, 2006 at 4:23 PM | link to this | reply

Tony, I do understand what you are trying to say.
I hope i did not offend. I was just expanding on what you were saying and wrestling with my own demons really. Fantasy has its place, but then it could get a bit risque and personal, could not it? Childhood fantasies are innocent enough, who knows what goes on in people's mind? Who really wants to know too much?

posted by marieclaire66 on November 28, 2006 at 4:18 PM | link to this | reply

Um, Tony, I only know a few phrases in French, a serious gap in my
education, but you lost me there. 

posted by Blanche. on November 28, 2006 at 3:30 PM | link to this | reply

hmmm..."we sing into a brush"...you been spying on me, Tonyz??
....

posted by Rumor on November 28, 2006 at 3:15 PM | link to this | reply

Non, je ne sais rien de la cuisine. Je m'excuse.
Marie-Claire? Ou est elle? Marie-Claire!! Aide-moi!

posted by Antonionioni on November 28, 2006 at 2:33 PM | link to this | reply

I like Marie-Claire's comments about dreams. I have a question for you

French speakers.  I am planning a menu for Christmas dinner, and have cookbook, Cuisine Nicoise (forgive the lack of squiggle on the "c" I don't know how). 

Anyway, do you know anything about Nicoise cuisine, Cote d'Azur, etc?

posted by Blanche. on November 28, 2006 at 2:18 PM | link to this | reply

hey TONY

posted by star4sky5 on November 28, 2006 at 2:04 PM | link to this | reply

Hi Neil
Good to hear and see you and your pix again. You're right, there is  some satire here, but done with humour rather than harshness.

posted by Antonionioni on November 28, 2006 at 2:03 PM | link to this | reply

Marie-Claire, thanks for your inspirational comments.
I really appreciate it. You're right about needing to make dreams come true, and that requires hard work and dedication. These last two sonnets have essentially been about fantasy and its therapeutic effects, even though these fantasies are wild and silly. Its comparing juvenile fantasy and adult fantasy, which is something we all do for fun, just as we did when we were kids. it's a natural thing, and probably healthy, as long as we don't mix it up with actual reality. The ending was put in just to make clear the vast gulf between these silly fantasies and the actual reality, rather than to disparage the fantasies themselves or to evoke sadness.

posted by Antonionioni on November 28, 2006 at 2:01 PM | link to this | reply

Loved the final couplet! As always hunor and satire blend happily in your

sonnets. I have not tried my hand at another siance 10 days ago...the more I visit, the greater the inspiration. Shalom dear Tony (TONYZONNET?). I bring true cinnamon:

 of which i wrote in my blogs today. For vital health! neil

posted by ILLUMINATI8 on November 28, 2006 at 1:39 PM | link to this | reply

hey, no harm in dreaming. who knows, some of it might come true.

It all starts with a dream, a vision, and if you want to make it come true, you have to pursue it relentlessly. Some of it, can be dismissed as idle fantasy, but it is up to you to make the distinction, between what you really want, and is just idle day-dreaming, not that day-dreaming does not have its place.

I especially like the end of the poem, it is very powerful and i like the contrast between the dream and the reality below. Sometimes there is a big gap between the two, but it is up to you to close that gap. This is the difference between achievers and dreamers.

At some point, we always have to link ourselves back to some kind of reality. It need not be painful or disappointing though.

You are the dream weaver
and the chaser of the dream
you are the wind and the weather
easing the direction of your whims.

remember you make the weather
you are the broadcaster the rain maker
you are the sunshine and the rain
pouring on your creations.

You are the dream weaver
the loom and the spinner
go tell the tale for all to hear
and I will be here and I will listen.

posted by marieclaire66 on November 28, 2006 at 12:27 PM | link to this | reply

Ha ha - great comments.
Imagine there's no hairbrush / I wonder if you can...

posted by Antonionioni on November 28, 2006 at 10:56 AM | link to this | reply

Tony, Yes I would love to be young and sexy again playing games then it sinks in I was day dreaming

posted by Kat02 on November 28, 2006 at 10:44 AM | link to this | reply

Tony, I'll tell you who did have a brush with fame. Perry Comb-o.

posted by _dave_says_ack_ on November 28, 2006 at 10:28 AM | link to this | reply

IT IS SO DIFFERENT I BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT THE PERSON OR THE BED ROOM............ HOW ABOUT ............najwa

posted by NAJWA on November 28, 2006 at 6:15 AM | link to this | reply

Tony

Different images when we are in the bedroom, in the dim light when we look okay, planning adventures in the Amazon, different again when wielding the novelist's pen with all the flights of child-like imagination, and then finally brought back to the reality of our circumstances. A sonnet in philosophical realism, rumination, or both?

 

 

posted by Bhaskar.ing on November 28, 2006 at 5:43 AM | link to this | reply

Hi Tony
A reality, I'm sure we are all delusional, though I also think this adds to our creative sides, good write

posted by lionladroar on November 28, 2006 at 5:39 AM | link to this | reply

Or maybe name in lights, in the bathroom.

posted by Blanche. on November 28, 2006 at 5:13 AM | link to this | reply

Yes, guys, I think we've all had a 'brush' with fame.

posted by Antonionioni on November 28, 2006 at 5:12 AM | link to this | reply

BRAVO
EACH OF US A LEGEND IN OUR OWN MIND... I CAN IDENTIFY WITH THIS POEM....

posted by FARSAILOR on November 28, 2006 at 4:29 AM | link to this | reply

Tony, I'm a legend in my living room, all right, lol

posted by Blanche. on November 28, 2006 at 4:21 AM | link to this | reply