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Hi Tony, I'm just now starting to read your sonnets. I was surprised by
this one...I just posted a sonnet on how to write a sonnet (English) last night! When Ebb.and.Flow was here, he held sonnet contests. I was a new member then, and I loved the contests, and started to write sonnets now and then. Now you are here, and I'm getting the urge to write sonnets again! Every sonnet of yours I've read so far is wonderful! You and your poetry are inspirational!
posted by
muser
on November 21, 2006 at 6:45 AM
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Mneme, if we carry on at this rate...
... sonnets will be the new free verse!
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 18, 2006 at 1:53 AM
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Hi Y
A fine comment and poem! It just goes to show what can be achieved. How did you like doing it?
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 18, 2006 at 1:52 AM
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Hi Bhaskar
Yes, you must have a go! I remember your previous poems being very good indeed!
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 18, 2006 at 1:49 AM
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Ypunday,
that's very good...!
Tony, look what you started....
posted by
mneme
on November 18, 2006 at 12:57 AM
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Thanks for all R encoragement. May I respond in two ways?
SONNET Y1
what shall I bring you in friendship O friend?
all of earth and beauties lie within us;
if you do not believe, reach out, extend
grab mountains with handiwork of artists
i would give you as much as you give
yet i cannot, this is all I copy
from the cyberspaces wherein I live
and write, and dream with others hopefully
but here a mountain in spring bursts of joy
I cannot withhold, though within your grasp
those who admire this natural art, enjoy
the last days of species of trees, mouse, wasp
but these beauties we have now seen and shared
may urge youth now and hence that they be spared
(c) Deo, 11/17/2006
posted by
ILLUMINATI8
on November 17, 2006 at 8:07 PM
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Tony
I really enjoyed the footnote that you left. That's the difference between classical and pop. I think I'll try my hand with one in your comments page. Make corrections wherever necessary. It'll be fun for me. Fine?
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on November 17, 2006 at 7:27 PM
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Hi Kat
Yes, have a go. I only started recently. I find them very easy, beacuse they guide you. It's almost like an invisible teacher or parent, helping you.
Hi Star, thanks very much!
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 5:24 PM
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hey Tony, very good sonnet
posted by
star4sky5
on November 17, 2006 at 5:20 PM
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hey Tony, very good sonnet
posted by
star4sky5
on November 17, 2006 at 5:20 PM
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Tony
A test in writing now I will have to try it thanks for the information i did not know this until now
posted by
Kat02
on November 17, 2006 at 5:20 PM
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Oh, yes please! I expect they're there now. I'll just have a look...
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:47 PM
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oh no just remembered
the poems might have been sent to your work email address. I will readdress them to home?
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 4:33 PM
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oh no just remembered
the poems might have been sent to your work email address. I will readdress them to home?
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 4:33 PM
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Perhaps you mean on your site? I'll just check there...
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:21 PM
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Have you recently sent an email?
I checked only a few minutes ago. I'll just check, how you say, encore...!
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:18 PM
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Yes, I started off by looking it up on Wikipedia.
Haikus are a bit short, but sonnets are long enough to say pretty much anything without too much waffle.
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:17 PM
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did you get my two poems?
which one is best? or are they both so wonderful....ha ha.
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 4:17 PM
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Don't worry I can look it up.
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 4:16 PM
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Yes, of course.
I may not be technically correct in using the word 'beat' actually - I think it may be five beats, which each beat being two syllables, with the stress usually being on the second, fourth, sixth etc syllable, but I've seen modern sonnets where they don't keep to the stress rules. I try to where possible.
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:15 PM
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Tony, just to be sure,
If I write one of "them" sonnnit, can i run it past you, cuz my beat count will probably be uncertain...
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 4:12 PM
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Hi MC
You keep popping up between my comments! You are mischievous, n'est-ce pas?
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:12 PM
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Hi Mneme
Yes, I agree. The couplet does stand alone. I hope I didn't give the impression that it didn't. Although it's possible that it doesn't have to in some forms, but when I write mine, it always does.
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:11 PM
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Koool. Tony, fire away!
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 4:10 PM
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Tony, this is perfectly fine, such a nice way of explaining...
At least it gave you inspiration for this one. Have you finished work now?
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 4:09 PM
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Hi Smartdog
I've heard of Raymond Queneau but I'm not very knowledgeable about poetry generally. I know some but not a great deal. Might look into it though. If it's in French, Marie-Claire might have to translate it for us!
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:09 PM
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Hi MC
Yes, it was you who asked about it first, and I hadn't got round to answering the question of what is a sonnet, so being short of ideas and having had a few drinks after work, I thought it would be a good way of explaining it to you! I can elaborate if you want, although there isn't much more to add, to be honest. Wikipedia goes into quite a lot of detail if anyone's interested. There are more forms available than the ones I usually use.
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:07 PM
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Hi Troosha
Well feel free to have a go. I feel a bit embarrassed taking any credit for this though - I only wrote my first one in September. It just goes to show, the simple poetic structures are easy to use and make poetry fun!
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:04 PM
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Smart dog sorry to be nosy, did you say Raymond Queneau?
I must look him up... Must have read his stuff somewhere, but tell us more anyway.
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 4:03 PM
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Hi Teddy, nice to see you
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:02 PM
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HI Tony, when Tony is away, the mice play...micely???
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 4:01 PM
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Hi folks. Was away doing various things - like you do!
Mike - Good to hear from you. I might have a bit of free time in December if you have any ideas. I think collaboration is a good idea and helps to improve the quality. You know how American sitcoms tend to be collaborations and are better line for line than British ones as a result. The quality control is higher. I don't mind discussing any ideas you might have. Give us an email - and Dave too if you like. Between us, we cover the South east, Yorkshire and the Midlands (and Manchester more recently) so that's quite a spread of different parts of the country. If we palyed to our stereotypes it might be quite funny. But that's just one possibility out of many.
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 17, 2006 at 4:01 PM
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Tonyzonit,
nice to see this so simply put. It will be interesting to see the results. - I'd only add one thing though, I like the structure better when the couplet stands alone rather than continuing on from the other lines.
posted by
mneme
on November 17, 2006 at 3:58 PM
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TonyZ
An excellent lesson well told. have you ever heard of Raymond Queneau's (? on the name) 14 sonnets called
Cent Mille Milliars Poems ? Apparently he wrote a collection of 14 sonnets, and every line of each of the sonnets is interchangeable with another. Just curious.
Be well,
-smartdog
posted by
smartdog_670
on November 17, 2006 at 3:50 PM
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Thank you Tony, what better to explain a sonnet than with another....
sonnet. It looks like a few of us might have a go. Well, it will be challenge, I am sure.
posted by
marieclaire66
on November 17, 2006 at 3:45 PM
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Tony
It's not clever to break rules unless you use even cleverer rules in their place. This could apply to just about anything!
Now that you laid our the structure I may have to attempt the challenge. Thanks.
posted by
Troosha
on November 17, 2006 at 3:39 PM
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Tonyz, glad you laid it out about the architecture of the sonnet...thanks!
posted by
teddypoet_TheGoodByeFade
on November 17, 2006 at 3:36 PM
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Hi Tony ! Hope you and your's are well friend
Thank you for teaching, I will do my best in learning and understanding, nearly fifty and love words and know when something is right, hope I'm not wrong. If I am, Eastenders, Coronation Street and Emmerdale I will find at my Crossroads. May you succeed in all you do! Sir.
Mick 
ps Looked at that BBC write something page, I found it when our good friend Dave! Had been on the radio and won the day for Blogit, if I maybe so bold ? I think. . . I know it's hard too believe but sometimes I do. . . Before I put my foot in it! . . . . Weather Blogit should have a crack at it ? You know Tone their's plays, sitcoms, comedy and so on ? Well, what you think ? I think we bring the best out of each other, all of us hear on blogit ? Though I must be honest and need a couple of mates too help beat-up the BBC.. . . I was hoping Dave and your good-self ? Plus me, I might just surprise you both! If I come dressed as a nude person, and the jokes are better then that ? Still what both think, lets have ago ! Not just us , all on Blogit, it will work, for one or some ! Michael 
posted by
lionladroar
on November 17, 2006 at 3:29 PM
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