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Nautikos
I just dropped by to say thinks for the read.
posted by
Justi
on November 2, 2006 at 5:38 PM
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Justi,
I agree. I think Lynne Cheney handled herself extremely well!
posted by
Nautikos
on October 30, 2006 at 6:21 PM
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Nautikos
I saw that. He was truly out classed, out witted as well as out dignified. He was rude and crude because he had invited her to interview her about her book and he wanted to tie her in knots about other writings. I did not like his manner.
posted by
Justi
on October 30, 2006 at 5:52 PM
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Corbin,
thanks for dropping in! Beyond what I have already said, I won't bother adding more on my view of saads...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 30, 2006 at 2:07 PM
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BrightIrish
their lack of sensitivity disgusts me!
posted by
Nautikos
on October 30, 2006 at 2:04 PM
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LeRoy
Really? Thanks for informing us, I wasn't aware of that...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 30, 2006 at 2:03 PM
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Naut
The thing that irks me is the mass media has a
black-out (there I go again--why does it always have to be about color?) on using any footage the U.S. military gives them during briefings because it may be doctored for pro-U.S. purposes.
posted by
LeRoyCoyote
on October 30, 2006 at 1:14 PM
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Americans refuse to let anyone inside their illegal detention center in Guantanamo Bay Cuba,
Saads....I challange you to prove this obvious lie!
You are so ate up with hatred......it almost makes one want to pity you.......but we've learned from past events that that would be a very unwise thing to do when dealing with the likes of you........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on October 30, 2006 at 5:02 AM
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Nautikos
Hi .. Sadly while seeking ratings the media seem to disregard the human emotion that is taking place within the film. Where is the compassion for the family and loved ones waiting for their sons,husbands, wives, fathers and mothers to return to them. I am in full agreement with you.
posted by
BrightIrish
on October 29, 2006 at 10:04 PM
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Blanche.
of course we agree on that. Although that wasn't the issue...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 29, 2006 at 12:42 PM
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ariel,
thank you!
posted by
Nautikos
on October 29, 2006 at 12:40 PM
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parnell,
thanks for your comment! Of course there are more important issues, I agree with that. But if we could only talk about the most important issues (always assuming that we could come to an agreement what these are), there wouldn't be much talk in the world, let alone on Blogit.
Besides, I do think discussing the issue of responsible journalism is of some little importance...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 29, 2006 at 12:39 PM
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saads
there isn't much I can add to what ariel has already expressed so well. Just an observation and a question: aside from being full of hate, your thinking is also very confused! Are you on medication of some kind? Of course, you don't have to tell us...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 29, 2006 at 12:28 PM
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Tanga,
I can't even
begin to
imagine
what those parents must have felt! And not only those, but the others who have lost loved ones in that war...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 29, 2006 at 12:21 PM
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saul,
it is of course impossible to remove the 'subjective' element from the reporting of any event. That's why responsible journalists strive for balance by presenting different points of view.
In this case, if CNN had merely reported the terrorists were making videos of their sniper attacks, that might have been a legitimate item for the news, although not particularly interesting.
But to actually show this terrorist production is unconscionable, no matter what one thinks of the war in Iraq...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 29, 2006 at 12:18 PM
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Naut, war is hell, I agree.
posted by
Blanche.
on October 29, 2006 at 12:06 PM
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Wiley,
thanks! I guess you dad understood a few things, and probably more than a few, things that some others clearly do not understand...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 29, 2006 at 12:03 PM
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Nautikos, This is a well written post. Your article and the comments to it bring home to us the polarization of the opinions of our people here on Blogit on a small scale and the world in general on a large scale. You are right. There is no news until it is made to be news by someone who decides to make it so.
posted by
TAPS.
on October 29, 2006 at 8:20 AM
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saads
Your fatuous and racist view of America and Israel as being the fount of all the evil in the world verge on the insane.
To read your " Muslim-as-victim " views one could be forgiven for thinking that Muslims are pacific propagators of respect, love and tolerance for all other people. Of course, most Muslims only want to live and to prosper among the infidels, but very, very many of them don't.
They share your disgustingly racist views, and like you, the propagate hatred and intolerance. You can only see the real or perceived wrongdoing of infidels, while completely ignoring the murderous propensites of millions of your co-religionists.
Infidels do not strap bombs about themselves, in order to shred the bodies of innocent women and children ; including their own fellow Muslims. That this is done in the name of religion is the most disgusting lie of all ; it's all about power. It's all about imposing a worldwide, merciless Caliphate on us all.
Isrealis, and other infidels agonise about what their governments do in their name ; damnit all, some are still apologising for the Crusades ( when your lot were as murderous as ours lot )
Do Muslims return the compliment? Do they hell! They either keep their mouths firmly closed about what other Muslims do, or they rejoice in the indiscriminate slaughter of the innocents.
They do this because their mediaeval religion, Islam, is inacapable of reform, and bringing its adherents into the twenty first century.
We Christians and agnostics have evolved, but you haven't. However develped economically you are, culturally you exist in a state of irremediable twelfth century barbarism.
Stil, you can always dismiss this comment as the ignorant rantings of a " psuedo intellectual " as you did last time. Which is a good measure of your intellectual abilities ; don't discuss, just condemn.
posted by
ariel70
on October 29, 2006 at 3:33 AM
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Good post and comments
Saads is not being very tactful tonight, but I understand his point nevertheless. It's a waste of time to worry about crass jourmalism. Americans should be marching in the streets - demanding an end to the genocide that their government and soldiers are commiting in Iraq.
That's the real issue.
posted by
Antipodean
on October 29, 2006 at 3:32 AM
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Well well well
I hear another American making a hue and cry over what's going on with the 'INNOCENT' American soldiers in Iraq..
Americans refuse to let anyone inside their illegal detention center in Guantanamo Bay Cuba, They kidnap and kill people they deem suspects (without any proof) as you must know a scandal broke out about CIA kidnapping people globally and keeping them in third-country detenion centers, they tap the phone calls of their own people illegally and committ war crimes against civilians including Abu Gharib and the most recent rape-cum-maruder of a whole Iraqi family...
Now what else do you expect from them.. You honestly think they'll be presenting flowers to the U.S. soldiers? There are a couple of old sayings i remember that fit what's going on with U.S. soldiers in Iraq..
1) You play with fire, you get hurt, &
2) As you sow, so shall you reap.
posted by
saads
on October 29, 2006 at 3:11 AM
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Sad
I also feel for the family and loved ones who had to witness this.
posted by
Tanga
on October 29, 2006 at 1:02 AM
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My father has a healthy aversion to news, paper and television. He says
that they're all a bunch of liars. The one truism in all this is that any story, once reported, is no longer a set of facts, but a set of facts subjectively reported.
posted by
saul_relative
on October 28, 2006 at 9:58 PM
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Nautikos
You actually wrote me into remembering my father.
His take on newspapers and jouralists of every stripe was, they need to be reined in and called to task.
I can't imagine anything more horrible to watch than our own men being executed on TV.
Wolf Blitzer ought to be axed for not having the balls to just not report it.
posted by
WileyJohn
on October 28, 2006 at 7:27 PM
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Blanche.
I am not blaming "the media for not reporting what doesn't exist". I was making the very general statement that the media are selective in chosing the events they report on, anywhere, anytime. In fact, at that moment I wasn't addressing myself to the situation in Iraq at all.
Instead, after having made that very general point, I dealt with a specific, narrowly defined case: the showing on CNN of a terrorist training/morale-boosting/propaganda tool, and Blitzer's position that it had to be shown because it was 'news'. I simply tried to demonstrate that it was not 'news', did not have to be shown, and should not have been shown. And to maintain that it had to be shown because it is 'news' is based on CNN's faulty reasoning and/or its own agenda.
And I do not doubt for a moment that the situation in Iraq is bad...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 28, 2006 at 6:57 PM
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blackcat
thanks. I can't say I blame you for not watching the news!
posted by
Nautikos
on October 28, 2006 at 6:32 PM
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OFFBEATS,
thanks! I think it was insensitive and disrespectful in the extreme to air those tapes...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 28, 2006 at 6:31 PM
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There is no good news in Iraq, Nautikos, the whole situation is an SNAFU.
So, to blame the media for not reporting what doesn't exist is fallacious reasoning. Ask Scoop if you don't believe me, and as an ex-Marine, he may have more credibiity, than either of us two armchair military strategists.
posted by
Blanche.
on October 28, 2006 at 5:56 PM
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No one wants to hear good news... so they report the sensationalized
stories to get viewers.
I rarely intentionall watch the news. The world is depressing enough without having these images reinforced in our heads. Unfortunately, these channels are on all day at my office. We have televisions all over the place with headline news and market commentaries... so it's really hard to miss.
posted by
-blackcat
on October 28, 2006 at 4:59 PM
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Naut
I doubt they gave one thought to the Mothers or any other family member. Remember who owns CNN...the mouth from the south, Ted Turner so are you surprised they report such non news? I never ever watch CNN..No need for it in my living room. Whatever possessed them to run that clip is beyond human and must be a desperate ploy for ratings. I just hope it did not work...God Bless..
posted by
Offy
on October 28, 2006 at 4:53 PM
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