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Black Pearl
I believe these sorts of things are more than just our opinion. They are sentiments of our rights as legitimate citizens of this great country. Thank you and may God bless you.
posted by
Justi
on June 24, 2006 at 1:05 PM
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Hi, Justi,
I haven't read about the Korean War Vet's Memorial's being subjected to protests or cross removals, but I've been quite out of the loop on many issues--- got to read more. My goodness, to remove seems quite disrespectful to me, like a desecration. Of course, I have a special place in my heart for veterans, but I think all monuments and symbols like this should be respected, whether people agree with them or not. Just my opinion. Thanks. :)
posted by
BlackPearl1
on June 24, 2006 at 10:05 AM
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Tcas
Yes and no. It is a sin for a Christian to condemn anyone. It is a sin for a Christian to point out the sins of a nonbeliever. It is not a sin for a Christian to point out the sins of another Christian in love as a reminder he/she is straying off the track and this is a help back to the way. It is always a sin to try to show up, ridicule or poke fun at either believers or nonbelievers. God says he will take care of that. By the way. I loved your blog I just read. Be blessed.
posted by
Justi
on June 24, 2006 at 7:26 AM
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God said we are all screwwed up
Therefore for any so-called christian to hop on a soap box and sit in judgement of anyone else
is in fact a sin in itself Right?
posted by
Tcasanova
on June 24, 2006 at 4:10 AM
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Naut
It is getting really bad in the US where people don't want us to have the right to show any signs of the cross. Thank you for for your comment.
posted by
Justi
on June 23, 2006 at 10:36 PM
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Gomedome
We are in total 100% agreement. You are indeed a gentleman and a scholar, sir. Thank you for responding.
posted by
Justi
on June 23, 2006 at 10:33 PM
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Justi -- about a year ago I wrote a post on this very case
It was entitled something along the lines of "Sometimes atheists can be such jerks" (I can't remember the exact title of the posting or I would have searched it and dropped the link to it) but suffice it to say that I do not support this type of protest. One gets the feeling that the protest itself is being advanced simply because the people that are doing it, can do it. There are things in this world that transcend political correctness, the historic traditions of how we have commemorated our war dead is one of those such issues. It is my understanding that the protest itself has not been initiated by the survivors of some of the soldiers buried there so in that regard, the protest itself is out of historical context. Recent legislative changes have allowed those who wish to object to religious symbols in public places the right to do so. In some instances this type of protest is a valid position but it does not apply universally to all circumstances.
There are other considerations as well, the symbol being objected to is a simple stylized cross, it is not a crucifix with the likeness of a dead man's body hanging on it, there is nothing remotely offensive about the object itself. Where the cross is clearly a symbol of the Christian religions, it is also representative in this instance of much more, in the way that our societies commemorated their war dead 50+ years ago and some of the values as held by those who are buried there. We must consider who this memorial is for. It is for soldiers that died as young men over 5 decades ago, the demographic of religious beliefs were much different back then when compared to today. There may not be a single non believer buried there, to apply such a historical circumstance to today's standards poses a number of problems. The most obvious problem being; where does it stop?
There are some instances in life where the rules as written, the rights that we have attained as individuals pertaining to religious freedom and/or freedom from religion, do not address what is right and what is wrong in all situations. This protest may appear to the right thing to do on paper or within the protestor's perspective but it is inherently wrong.
posted by
gomedome
on June 23, 2006 at 8:39 PM
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Justi,
I did not read gome dome's post, nor did I know anything about the Korean War Memorial. But if it was pulled down because it was marked with a cross, I am truly shocked!
posted by
Nautikos
on June 23, 2006 at 8:36 PM
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; )=
posted by
QuailNest
on June 23, 2006 at 7:37 PM
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"to show"
posted by
QuailNest
on June 23, 2006 at 7:36 PM
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What most people don't realize is
they have been brainwashed and are used as pawns. That is why I study ti show myelf an aproved workman, educated, unashamed and keenly aware of the truth.
posted by
QuailNest
on June 23, 2006 at 7:35 PM
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I never read gomedome bec of his anti-christian stance.
I hate when people make a big deal out of somethng like a cross on a war memorial though. It's petty and stupid. It deprives those who DO believe of a sacred symbol.
Catholics would never allow us to tear down their statues of the Virgin Mary bec some group found it offensive. And there are statues of her all over the world.
posted by
Passionflower
on June 23, 2006 at 7:01 PM
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I haven't read Gome's post... so I can't really comment on much of
that... but I did find this photo from the cemetery at Normandy. Personally, I don't mind what anyone marks their grave with, but perhaps not all soldiers would want a cross.
posted by
-blackcat
on June 23, 2006 at 5:53 PM
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Maggie Mae
I am wanting the very same for you. How are you doing lately? You make me ashamed of my whinning you are so courageous.
posted by
Justi
on June 23, 2006 at 2:46 PM
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My dear friend, Justi, just how are you doing? Better, I hope.
posted by
MaggieMae
on June 23, 2006 at 1:59 PM
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Ariel 70
Thank you so much. Just as we have discussed, your lack of belief is your personal right as is my belief. It actually has nothing to do with how we can relate to one another in our writing or discussions. Anything else is petty. Thanks again. Hey Passionflower may have something there, maybe we could make a good presidential pair. LOL
posted by
Justi
on June 23, 2006 at 1:59 PM
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Justi
You are well aware of my non-beliefs, but even as an atheist I am outraged at the petty-mindedness of some people. If others wish to mark the memorials, and honour their dead with a cross, a Magon David, a crescent, what the hell has it got to do with me?
WE are all entitled to our beliefs -- or lack of them -- but nobody is entitled to force their beliefs on us, or attempt to make us modify ours.
The pox take them all, I say
posted by
ariel70
on June 23, 2006 at 1:39 PM
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