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You are more than welcome, mellyn.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 11, 2006 at 10:01 AM
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Thanks for the reading.
mellyn
posted by
mellyn
on June 10, 2006 at 2:05 PM
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It is the most divisive non-issue of our time, Azur. Could our elected
officials simply do what is best for the country, like a comprehensive workable border plan, a secure ports plan, a plan to shore up the Social Security issue, a real withdrawal plan for the war in Iraq, a comprehensive national medical plan, real alternative fuel plans, etc. I mean, can't these guys just do what they were elected to do and stop listening to the Abramoffs?
posted by
saul_relative
on June 8, 2006 at 9:38 AM
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How about the technology-driven election fraud that just hit the news,
Blanche. I saw something about it on the news the other day but missed the report.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 8, 2006 at 9:34 AM
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Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess
You know, even a decade ago, I could never imagine we'd be in times when politicians gaave time to preventing gay marriages
posted by
Azur
on June 6, 2006 at 11:11 PM
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Hehe, I would love to, Saul, I remembered Abramoff, too,
I think that probably hurt the Rs, Americans are wising up, slowly. Too bad they didn't earlier, but don't get me started on the subject of gerrymandering, crooked elections, and dubious audit procedures. (How about those ballots found stuffed into a trash can in Nevada? ). Grr.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 6, 2006 at 10:38 PM
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You should right copy for the news services, Blanche. Maybe you
could help stop the spin. And you're right; how much longer are the conservatives going to keep reaching for that damned carrot?
posted by
saul_relative
on June 6, 2006 at 8:46 PM
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Interesting, I'll have to look for that book, Contempt by Susan Crier,
Gay marriage is such a red herring, that I wonder that the uberrighties keep falling for the schtick time after time. It's like watching someone play catch with a not-very-bright dog. It's certainly nothing I'd base my vote on. Anyway, I'd like to know more about how to accurately read a poll, what to look for, and the skew.
I laughed when I kept hearing the righties on the talk shows beat that same drum: "Liberally biased polls" until even Fox News, that Communist bastion, reported Bush''s numbers being in the low 30s. How's that for a leftist biased poll?
Another trick that's gettng old is for the Whitehorse press secty. to loftily state that they can't comment on an ongoing investigation. Uh, gee, which one? Scooter Libby's indictment, Karl Rove's, The Dukester's coonviction for fraud, too many to list. One Liberal commentator finally said what we'd been shouting at the tv: "Then would you for f888 sake shut up on CNN and Fox about the Holloway story, and the Duke soccer team scandal (no DNA), but plenty of press covrage.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 6, 2006 at 7:06 PM
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I'm with you on McCain, Blanche. I, too, am no card-carrying leftist, but
I have my moments of liberalism. I also agree with your jaded view of polls, that at times they are heavily overrated. But, in this instance, poll after poll over the years (unless you are polling conservatives exclusively) taken by independent pollsters have held steady or gained in the area of gay acceptability. I believe I read the data in Catherine Crier's book,
Contempt.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 6, 2006 at 6:58 PM
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Saul, et al,
I agree with most of what you've said with a few caveats. Who are the "American people"? The polled demographic, the mythical concnesus. "Figures will lie and liars will figure", so much chicanery goes on with the "lies, damned lies and statistics" that it's hard to know or read between the lines of what the polls really reveal. Sure the majority of American people may care about keeping marriage as "a union between a man and a woman", but how much do they care? Enough to base an election on.
I"m sick of being lambasted as a card-carrying leftist. I am no worshipper of Ted Kennedy or Clinton, but if the hardcore conservatives still tout the "anybody but Kerry or Gore" platform, then I'm for anybody but the next Bushbot. If it were John McCain or John Murtha, I'd probably vote for them, too. I pray that in November, Pat Buchanan is right and the moderate Republicans, the ones who voted Bush in on h is fiscal responsiblity ticket, and got hoodwinked and those who've silently left him over the wiretapping and mangling of the Katrina cleanup, vote with their feet or stay home.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 6, 2006 at 6:50 PM
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What? Where? You say she's blonde? LOL. Just kidding. Yeah, I'm
sick to death of that neverending, no longer heart-tugging story out of Alabama and Aruba. Feel bad for the Holloways. Feel worse for the hundreds of poor white and black and hispanic families who lose teenage children daily, never to be seen again, but don't have the money and clout to keep the story running on CNN and FOX.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 6, 2006 at 6:39 PM
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Saul right on the money and your comment here
to MG says it all, what is relevant anymore? Young men and women are dying everyday in Iraq and it is non-stop TV still about a blond high school senior lost on a school trip.
posted by
scoop
on June 6, 2006 at 6:18 PM
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No, M.G., we do not. That is why we let the Michael Jackson trial supplant
the far more serious Downing Steet Memo. Why the Runaway Bride was more important than Tom DeLay breaking the law. Why the continuing white trash soap opera that is Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson is more important than the Katrina aftermath. Why Swarzenegger's book ban of gays in textbooks got far more airplay than the fact that yesterday was the 25th anniversary of the hallmark report and the isolation of the HIV/AIDS virus.
I mean, really, what is more important: Taylor's hair and Kat's boobs or securing our national borders (from illegal aliens and potential terrorist threats)? The Dixie Chicks new album being number 1 or rebuilding the Gulf Coast states and readying for the upcoming hurricane season? The Da Vinci Code or whether members of the Bush administration broke the law wiretapping American citizens or outing a CIA operative?
posted by
saul_relative
on June 6, 2006 at 2:51 PM
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I just wanted to let you know that I read your post...
...comment? ....why is it even an issue? ...Why are Tanya Harding, Tammie Faye, Jane Fonda, Jannette Jackson, Anna Nicole, etc still celebrities? ...why do we watch train wrecks and Jerry Springer? ..does this country give a damn about anything of relevance anymore?
posted by
MasonGarrett
on June 6, 2006 at 2:37 PM
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A little over six hours left here on the east coast before all the nutcases
have to start taking their lithium and prozac again, start another countdown to Armageddon. On the good ship Republican, FranklyMyDear, I wonder if the president has finally realized the boat is sinking or is just blithely and unknowingly using that oversized pail Karl Rove handed him.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 6, 2006 at 2:19 PM
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just another lame brained grasp for what is hopefully a broken oar
....on a sinking republican ship...we wrote of islamic zealots in another comment section and the people who put Bush in power are not much better than the zealots we mentioned there...spooks and crack pots...with too much money who are adept at governing by fear....the same sex marriage law was passed in our country a year ago whereby gays can now be legally married...and we're only hours away from making past 060606 and things seem to be running fairly normally....
posted by
FranklyMydear1
on June 6, 2006 at 11:34 AM
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Sure they do; they can choose not to vote at all. By the way, love the
Homer Simpson line.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 5, 2006 at 10:46 PM
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Well, the evangelicals still have to vote Republican, anyway ...
I mean, it's not like they have any other choice.
"I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there,
please save me, Superman."
~ Homer J. Simpson
posted by
Mademoiselle
on June 5, 2006 at 10:33 PM
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He's posturing and they know it. Besides, marriage is an institution, not
a moral. And I doubt Dubya has a moral bone in his phony body. He's used religion as a political lever to get him the governorship of Texas and the presidency. He's throwing them a payback bone that has no meat on it.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 5, 2006 at 10:27 PM
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Well, I can't speak for the "religious right", however ...
what difference should it make to them, why Bush is suddenly putting issues of morality front and center? Just so long as he's doing it?
No more money, no more fancy dress
This other kingdom seems by far the best
until its other jaw reveals incest
& loose obedience to a vegetable law
posted by
Mademoiselle
on June 5, 2006 at 10:06 PM
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