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Excellent point, Justso, thanks!
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JanesOpinion
on February 6, 2006 at 5:06 PM
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Thank you Offbeats, and you're a darlin'!!!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 6, 2006 at 5:06 PM
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Jane's I saw a comment on here that comes to mind. I am a Christian
who does not believe in abortion; however, I do not believe in harming those who perform them, I would never sit chained to a fence to prevent one. God leaves you in your own hands. God in this case being the Holy Trinity: God the father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. You are told what is right and what is wrong in the word. If you disobey you will suffer the consequences. It is not about stuffing it down my throat or yours. It is not about mad displays of protest or riots. God is a gentleman, He would be very offended at riotious protests. But the point is He is not Allaha. He is the God of all creation. He doesn't need to be afraid you will not do as he says, he has told you what the outcome is to be if you don't so do as you please.
posted by
Justi
on February 5, 2006 at 9:45 PM
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Janes
I am with Corbin on this...He said what I was thinking! Good post Janes, but then again your always is!
posted by
Offy
on February 5, 2006 at 9:16 PM
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simsimswife,
I can relate to that bit about being busy. I meant to get back to your blog to comment, but forgot. So I will make that a priority this weekend. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
Any perspective you can supply regarding the Muslim mindset will be "muchly" appreciated!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 4, 2006 at 10:19 AM
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Jane's,
I am glad that you brought by this subject, I shall try to answer it in my posts. Just that are so many things going on in my personal life and what is happening out there simply overwhelms me. Bare with me, pls, as you did regarding my other answers. I was pleasantly surprised by the cat's comment; indeed, Muslims are sad with every thing which alters the image of Islam, including terrorists. I don't think Corbin is right about that insecurity: try offending a Muslim with anything else, which doesn't involve Islam, and don't be surprised by the mildness of reaction. Consider Muslims soldiers on duty and attacks to Islam something they are commanded to respond at. Perhaps now it will all make sense to you.
posted by
ex_simsimswife
on February 4, 2006 at 10:09 AM
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Corbin, thanks for pointing that out.
Your observation is very true. Christ spoke of love, sacrifice, friendship, etc. Mohammed was into "peace" through submission to the will of Allah (done through peaceful submission or forced violent submission).
Ironically, though, in your second comment, Christ would have recommended turning the other cheek. I see Islam as a bully religion and, as consequently, they will make demands of Christians that will never in fairness be reciprocated. It will be their way or no way. There is no equal status in their eyes.
Thanks, as always, for adding your considerable two cents!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 4, 2006 at 9:35 AM
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Janes
The question we need to ask Moslems is:
Until you start showing respect and tolerance for our values, religion, and civilization, why should we show any respect and tolerance for yours?
Finally, Islam has picked a fight with the West in which the West will actually fight back.........has picked a fight it will lose. Finally, folks are figuring out that Islam has a fatal weak spot........it is so insecure that it can’t take the heat of ridicule.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 4, 2006 at 8:12 AM
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Let's imagine for a moment some guy, using Christian principles as his motivation, blows up an abortion clinic, killing numerous people. Afterwards, a major newspaper runs a cartoon depicting Jesus with a bomb.
Is this a valid argument.... the difference is that none of Christ's teaching are reflected in the actions of the Abortion Clinic bombers........whereas Mohammad's writings and the Koran are full of justifications of violence and suppression of differing views.......Jesus holding a bomb would have no validity......Mohammad holding one, would.....
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 4, 2006 at 8:09 AM
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Amen Blackcat!
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JanesOpinion
on February 4, 2006 at 8:05 AM
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I just think I'd rather hear them denounce terrorism than Denmark.
posted by
-blackcat
on February 4, 2006 at 7:21 AM
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Aha, Blackcat, I think you've hit the nail on the head!
Great observation.
Yes, one would think Muslims would take note and think "hmmmm, we seem to have an image problem here, what can we do to improve that?" "Let's hire the best and most expensive marketing specialists from the USA . . . ." Isn't that what Saudi Arabia did? After 9/11?
Thanks for stopping by!
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JanesOpinion
on February 4, 2006 at 7:18 AM
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I'm not entirely sure what I think here... I agree with Talion's comment,
but I do think I've seen a lot worse drawn in regard to Jesus or Christianity. It's political satire. We've even seen drawings of the President with bombs in his hands, I'm sure? But, people get very touchy when it comes to religion.... so I don't know. I tend to think that the artist was trying to convey the irony of what terrorists are doing in the name of Mohammed. Shouldn't the Muslims be more upset at the terrorists who are giving them a bad name than the messenger?
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-blackcat
on February 4, 2006 at 7:13 AM
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Aha, I shall have to check out Passionflower's blog.
Thanks for the heads up!
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JanesOpinion
on February 4, 2006 at 7:01 AM
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I agree with Talion wholeheartedly. Although I've witnessed
PLENTY of nasty drawings of Jesus without myself or any of my Christian friends even mentioning it. That said, Passionflower posted the pics in her blog, if you're interested.
posted by
Renigade
on February 4, 2006 at 6:58 AM
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You're right, Justsouno.
The vast majority of Christians have NEVER supported abortion bombings or other anti-abortion antics done supposedly in the name of Christ.
It does amaze me what Muslims are able to get away with in the name of Allah, brandishing their own version of "peace."
Have a great weekend!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 4, 2006 at 6:54 AM
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Jane's I have been concerned about all the Christians who are strapping
beer cans to their clothing and wearing these long black coats so they won't be recognized as a Christian. Wow! Blow 'em up it is okay but don't evangelize them.
If I remember correctly Christians did not uphold the Clinic Bombing here in Alabama. We do not condone murder whether it be of the child or of the bomber. It is 80 miles from me. I saw the response we did not celebrate it as the Muslims celebrated Katrina and any and all misfortunes that have come out way!
Good Post, keep it up!
posted by
Justi
on February 3, 2006 at 10:18 PM
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Talion, you make some excellent and very valid points.
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your opinion!
And yes, you're right about the potential for riots after the Super Bowl, but I think that's a problem of too much testosterone along with pent up emotion in the losing team and fans rather than religious predilection (although I understand your point).
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JanesOpinion
on February 3, 2006 at 9:10 PM
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JanesOpinion
Let's imagine for a moment some guy, using Christian principles as his motivation, blows up an abortion clinic, killing numerous people. Afterwards, a major newspaper runs a cartoon depicting Jesus with a bomb. Would Christians be outraged? No, I'm not saying there would be riots, but many would certainly be most offended and take action in less violent means, such as boycotts. Remember the controversy a few years ago surrounding the movie "The Last Temptation of Christ"? Even though such a cartoon in this example can be justified, it most certainly wouldn't be correct, appropriate, or warranted. Muslims don't have the right to riot and destroy, but they absolutely have the right to be angry.
I view Muslims and terrorism as I view our most notorious homegrown terrorist organization, the Ku Klux Klan. One unifying theme in white supremacist rhetoric is Christianity, but by no means do I consider all Christians as racist Klansmen. By the same token, I don't view all Muslims as terrorists. I have contempt for the one who are, respect for the law-abiding citizens who aren't. It's really quite simple.
By the way, riots aren't exactly alien to Western civilization. Sunday night after the Superbowl, I'm sure the police will be out in full force in Pittsburgh and Seattle to quell any potential violence. Yes, over a football game.
posted by
Talion
on February 3, 2006 at 9:01 PM
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