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Not meaning to argue . . . but OK, continuing the argument.
"I am peddling Christianity, as it was originally preached, not some construct of human perception tacked on centuries later." OK -- I can definitely buy that, but you write as if you have far more knowledge than what is in the New Testament. In fact, you've written about how you disagree with much of what's in the NT so obviously you are picking and choosing what you'll believe, relying on extra biblical sources which may or may not be correct -- and yet you believe YOU have the truth – and everyone else who disagrees with you is a stupid “Christiano.” Do I hear “double standard” wafting through the Blogit breeze?
“I have quoted what the Apostle Paul says, and yet you feel you are better than the Apostle Paul -- that there is no more knowledge to be learned.” Excuse me, but YOU'RE the one who has decided to pick and choose what to believe about what the Apostle Paul has written. He wrote against homosexuality but you have chosen to re-interpret his writings. It’s really not about supposedly knowing it all vs going with the flow about discovering more information out in the Universe – in your book – but reinterpreting to better fit your belief preferences from what information is already there, integrating, of course the latest philosophical and ideological construct flavor of the day. I think there’s a difference.
“When new discoveries are made re: the Universe and human history and such -- you fall back on your Creatonist fallacy and say they're false -- that the Earth is no more than 6,000 years old (a concept created in the Middle Ages -- not in the Bible -- a Catholic cleric determined the exact date of the Earth's creation.” Regarding creation, I don't give a rip, really. I believe God started the whole thing in motion, and beyond that, could care less. Whether He used a million years to create man or a day, to me it’s not something that needs to be argued over. The day-age theory has merit, some sort of evolutionary process has merit (especially since we’re all gradually changing over time; nothing about creation is static), although in general I have to believe that God started the whole thing and actually guided its process. And yes, I personally believe that God created the individual species; there’s way too much order and complexity in nature to believe otherwise, no matter what you or your son say. And could God create the universe in six days and make it look like the whole thing evolved? Sure! But of course we don’t want to believe that, since such a belief would make God that much greater than humans, and heaven help our pride if we agreed to such an exalted notion.
“We either move forward and become part of the huge current of the Universe, or we remain in a static, stale, brackish backwater of human refusal to open up the mind.” Fascinating – “a huge current of the Universe” – sounds like something out of Star Trek rather than the Bible, and yet you say you follow Christianity as it was originally preached. Hmmmm. I could have fun with that notion.
Well Xenox, for certain you are a creative thinker, but having said that, I do not mean it totally as a compliment. All I can say is thanks be to God that it is He who knows our hearts and judges our thoughts and intents. I may be some ignorant, “brackish backwater Christiano,” but darn it, in the long run, your judgment against Christianos matters little . . . while God’s opinion is everything!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 11, 2006 at 5:41 PM
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janesopinion
I am peddling Christianity, as it was originally preached, not some construct of human perception tacked on centuries later.
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 10, 2006 at 5:40 AM
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hate getting into arguments but . . .
here's the point -- we say we must seek knowledge -- Christianos (and I will keep the term because these people are not exactly of the Christian Faith) say everything that can be known has been discovered.
You cannot deny that!!!!!
If you do, you are deceiving yourselves and everybody else!!!!
I have quoted what the Apostle Paul says, and yet you feel you are better than the Apostle Paul -- that there is no more knowledge to be learned.
When new discoveries are made re: the Universe and human history and such -- you fall back on your Creatonist fallacy and say they're false -- that the Earth is no more than 6,000 years old (a concept created in the Middle Ages -- not in the Bible -- a Catholic cleric determined the exact date of the Earth's creation.
When people expound new thoughts and introduce elements of other religions, you fall back on dogmatic positons that have lost their efficacy centureis ago because they are concoctions of a medieval church whose sole purpose it would seem was to control the minds of believers.
We either move forward and become part of the huge current of the Universe, or we remain in a static, stale, brackish backwater of human refusal to open up the mind.
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 10, 2006 at 5:38 AM
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Xeno, I don't know any Christians who believes that...but maybe I haven't
been around enough.
posted by
Ariala
on January 9, 2006 at 6:53 PM
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WHo has said knowledge is finished? Not even anti-stem cell,
intelligent design promoting people believe that. I agree with Jane...on Blogit its the anti-christians who are far and away the most dogmatic, clubbing over the head anyone who loves life (not of the abortion death cult) and a firm spiritual foundation.
posted by
FreeManWalking
on January 9, 2006 at 6:51 PM
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Xenox, you're pulling a Kooka here.
You're making a sweeping huge generalization when you say that Christians speak as if their knowledge is perfect and finished. I sometimes wonder where you come off saying this and how you can justify some of the STUFF you spew.
When in actuality it's YOU who comes across as being know it all and condescending and yes, judgmental in putting down Christians and their beliefs.
Irked? Yes, I am. Tired of being so judged (I'm assuming I, like other more conservative Christians on blogit am lumped into your demeaning term of "Christiano.") and villified by someone who seems to have reached the nirvana of god-like perfection in his knowledge of all things christian.
Whatever strange religion it is you're peddling -- I say NO THANKS!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 9, 2006 at 6:46 PM
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So Sorry
Xeno,
Sorry about my response to your response to gomedomes blog. Does that make sense? Sometimes I lose track of what I'm saying............who I am saying it to.................etc, etc,. I was in a hurry (I had to pick up my daughter from school).
zoe
posted by
Zoe_BooBoo
on January 9, 2006 at 3:35 PM
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