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Kooka, in case you check back for a response . . . .

I'm not ignoring you.  Just waiting for a block of time to respond. Although, in a nutshell, it's evident that we see/look at things differently!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 20, 2005 at 6:48 PM | link to this | reply

Xeno-x, you make some valid points

what I was trying to tell you, though, is that I try to live my faith in such a way that I am a testimony without words.  I know your son doesn't believe that's possible with me, but then he cannot see me in action at work!

So my testimony is very frequently without words, in part because I cannot blatantly evangelize at work, but I can through my actions make people question what it is that's different about me.

Thanks for stopping by!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 19, 2005 at 5:02 PM | link to this | reply

well, here is one thing.

all these people, including me, are of course questioning Christianity (but I am questioning Christianosity , what I consider to be the radical fringe of Christianity).
the idea is to challenge Christians and Christianos.
you can either answer their statements with valid statements of your own; or continue to mainly ingnore the statements and questions, instead casting aspersions at their unbelief, resorting to name-calling rather than engagin in constructive dialogue.
If you want to be believed, then constructive dialogue seems to be the best course.

and as to you comment in mh blog, I posted it as one of the responses to my own challenge for others to judge -- check out the post and what others had to say, if any comments were made (I cannot recall right now).
But to ignore a question is to leave the question unanswered, leave it for someone else to give an answer that might be disagreeable to you.

posted by Xeno-x on December 19, 2005 at 7:54 AM | link to this | reply

let's see, what you did not do

was defend you faith
express your faith
testifay as to your faith.
you didn't do anything but
tell me that you didn't have time to do any of these things.
so you are not an evangelist for your faith.
do you indeed have faith enough in your faith to testify for it?
I was knocking -- I was challenging.
you didn't even try to light the fire on your altar.
someone else has fired up her altar, though.

posted by Xeno-x on December 19, 2005 at 7:47 AM | link to this | reply

Janes, let's see just how off you really are with your 'evidence'.

So let's do this point by point-

1st - My comment on Veggie Tales were not attacking at all.  I stated my personal opinion about the show itself.  id id not say it was good or bad, just that some of he messages are wrong as far as I am concerned.  You also did not give the full quote as to where I talk about how that concept is teaching kids they need not fear strangers if they believe in God.  Seriously listen to the song, I think it is titled 'God if Bigger than the Buggy Man'.  It gives the wrong message as far as I am concerned. It really does make the claim that if you believe in God nothing can hurt you.  No Christian bashing there at all.  Although I do not see it as a good thing that it brings people to God, but that is my opinion and I would never claim it to be anything else than opinion.

2nd - I KNOW ON NO ONE WHO HAS A PROBLEM CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS.  That is fact.  Just because there are people out there with an issue about, does not mean I know them. All the atheists I know of have no issue with calling it Christmas, because it does not matter to them what you call it. My point was that it is not a common thing and is being blown out of proportion by a  few people out there. Once more, that is not at all Christian bashing.  I say nothing against Christians at all there.  Store have every right to do holiday promotions as they please.  I ti s not my place to say it is right or wrong.  At that level it makes sense to keep it as general as possible in order to please and attract as many customers as possible.  Here I am saying we should all just go ahead a call it Christmas and you are trying to claim that is Christians bashing.  If anything what you quoted of me there is pro-Christian.  And learn about the ACLU.  They have no problem at all with Christmas.  Now they may be involved in law suits asking the government to make some changes in order to ensure that there is no hint of a government based religion in this country, since that would violate the Bill of Rights, but that is not anti- Christmas really.

3rd - Are you saying that all conservatives are Christians?  Are we talking about religion or politics here?  I never claim to have respect for conservatives.  Never.  So I am puzzled as to how you are using my views on conservative to back up Christian bashing. unless you wish to claim that Christians and Conservatives are the same thing.  And I do show conservatives much more respect than they show Liberal.  Your example is way off subject.  Conservative, doing something to make things better?  Now that is funny.  I am trying real hard to keep my laughter in right now.  Conservative, doing something productive?  That is a real good joke.  These are the people who think the economy is healthy right now.  They clearly are not paying any attention to reality.  No one in their right mind think things are healthy.   They might be pretending to do something, but nothing is being done.  And that still is not Christians bashing, just Conservative bashing and as I said I have never claimed that I do not bash conservatives.

4th - When I say large body I am not saying all.  That should be as clear as can be.  I make sure that my comment are NOT generalizing all Christians, and so are NOT Christian bashing.  If I were to say all Christians are like that, then you might have something.  But I clearly say a 'large body' which does not even mean most, just enough to be noticed.  Do you believe that this is not true?  Are you saying there are not a noticeable amount of Christian out there who are like that?

5th - I felt Ody's concept of of ajlkhjlk was very foolish and misguided. He even ended up admitting openly that the basic idea was more or less a play on words to get people to admit to him that they believe in his idea of God. The idea ajlkhjlk is not Christians, just Ody's.  So anything I say about one concept someone came up with can not be considered Christian bashing.  if you used those words ot describe how you viewed a certain concept, I would say nothing because those are clearly your views on it.  You can say that atheism is a foolish and misguided concept and I would ask you why and what your reasoning is.  If you read the full post you will see my reasoning.  I would never make such a comment without my views that back it up.

6th - My point about the Adam and Eve naming things was actually very valid and if you read the full post you would see the points I end up making.  And once more this can not be considered Christians bashing because I am not saying anything negative about Christians in general here.  I am showing what I see in a story from the Bible and using it as an example of a habit people have.  No Christian bashing to be found there either.

You looked through a few recent posts of mine, found nothing at all and took a  few lines that by themselves are not Christians Bashing (Although some had stronger language and you tried to use that to prove your point, just showing how much power you give to the words and not the ideas) and if read them with the whole of their posts they are clearly not Christian bashing.  You evidence is weak and does not back up your claims at all.  Then you openly admit that you are not reading my posts and are not going to read my posts, yet you mad a claim as if you knew for  fact I was actively Christian bashing without having been reading any of my posts.  If you view nay of these examples given as Christian bashing, then you truly have the thin skin.

Also, I am still waiting for you to show me where I ever have used misinformation, propaganda or lies in my posts.  I know I do no such thing, but you made such a claim.

As I figured you were able to prove nothing at all because there is no evidence at all to back up your claims.  You have really stretched it here, and even then nothing you found says I bash Christians in general at all.  I may go after a few of them or groups of them that I have problems with, but that is different from actual Christian Bashing as you have accused me of.

posted by kooka_lives on December 18, 2005 at 8:06 PM | link to this | reply

Offbeats, I completely missed it.

For fear of sounding completely foolish --OK, I'll risk it -- this wasn't the state of the union, was it?  Isn't tha usually on a Tuesday?  Oy veh, guess I need to pay better attention.

And regarding your other comment, you are so right. Why do I bother?  Not sure, but for some reason I keep trying.  Perhaps I will need an insanity plea. . . .

As always, thanks for the vote of confidence!!!

God bless!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 18, 2005 at 6:41 PM | link to this | reply

Jane

One thing I have learned about this issue...some people do not listen nor do they understand, they are far too busy attacking without reading what your really saying...to me, that is sad!

Did you see the President tonight.? Good one!

posted by Offy on December 18, 2005 at 6:27 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks Offbeats . . .

I keep thinking I'm done with this particular blog . . . . It's going to keep haunting me!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 18, 2005 at 6:23 PM | link to this | reply

You want examples of bashing, Kooka? Here's a boatload.

The only prooblem is that you will look at these examples, and say I am taking them out of context, or misinterpreted them or I'm twisting the meaning, and blah, blah, blah.  No matter what examples I provide, you will accuse me of . . . something.  Frankly, I think this is going to turn out to be a "men are from mars, women are from venus argument" except that it will be "atheists are from ____ and Christians are from ____ " type argument instead.  (Fill in the blanks.)

"This is a really twisted series of educational cartoons for kids that in my opinion very often gets the message wrong. One example, there was a show that ended with a song that if you listen to the lyrics it is telling kids that if they believe in God, then they need not fear the buggy man." -- do you have any clue how these cartoons have helped kids?  The enjoyment they've provided?  The simple trust in God they've helped kids learn? 

"I know of no one who has any problem at all celebrating Christmas, because they understand that the holidays are what you make them to be, no matter what the origins might be. The name is meaningless compared to the celebration. A few complained and it become a political issue that has been taken too far and just really makes no sense. People can call the holiday whatever they want and celebrated it however they want. It is a stupid fight and is really pointless for anyone . . . ." -- you know of no one who has any problem with celebrating Christmas?  Where's your head, buddy?  How about the ACLU? Do you read the papers?  All sorts of schools and stores are forbidding the use of the word "Christmas" and yet you call the fight a stupid one and pointless?

"So you conservative fundamentalists with no grasp on reality need to stop whining and playing the victim. Get out and see the world . . ."-- yeah, so much for respect and tolerance.  The conservatives I am in contact with have seen the world and have a profound grip on reality and the difficulties people are facing. Not only that, but THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

"There is a body of believers, a large body of them, out there who really are as clueless as it gets as to what respect and acceptance really are. They do not understand that you can respect people for not sharing your beliefs. You can accept them without having to agree with them." -- the most judgmental statement I've seen in awhile.  "Clueless?"  Gee, thanks.  I'm clueless because I disagree with someone.  Or you assume I don't respect a person because I disagree with them.  Oh, but you're not judgmental, are you.

"Yes this is still going off of Ody's very misguided and foolish concept of ajlkhjlk . . . ." -- Nor are you arrogant, right?  "very misguided" . . . "foolish"?  If I used those words you would call me intolerant  and suffering from a superiority complex.  Gee, thanks! And who was griping about double standards?

"One of the first things that happened in the Bible was that Adam and Eve went around labeling everything so that they could control it. Why could they not have just called all the animals friend?" -- Oh, so just because Adam went around naming animals, he did it to control them?  Where do you come up with this stuff?  He gave each one a unique name so he wouldn't have to call it "it." It wasn't a control issue.  Wouldn't you like to have a name? 

I surfed through only two of your most recent pages in your religion blog.  I could easily come up with more if I dug further, but I don't have time.  You will definitely come back and say "this isn't bashing."  But your style of writing and the tener of your voice, so to speak, is incredibly negative and arrogant. 

And now, onward and upward.  I have many more things to do this evening before I can head off to work tomorrow, so this is it. 

posted by JanesOpinion on December 18, 2005 at 6:22 PM | link to this | reply

Janes

I keep trying to show you where you hold a double standard and you just refuse to get it.  Billy's comment was defending the double standard that you have taken up here in the post and in the comments section.

You keep trying to paint this image of me attacking and over reaction.  I have a very thick skin and have only pointed out what you are doing.  I personally am more annoyed that you just are not grasping the reality of it.  Is it because I hold my character and my integrity so high that I refuse to allow someone to childishly attack it without cause or evidence?  I hold my integrity as my most important trait and you have done nothing but challenge in childish comments without anything to back you up.

Although you could try to get back on subject and instead of just making pointless comments to make me look bad, you could try to prove your point.  But I guess that would actually take a lot effort try and do and it would all be wasted, since your claims are unprovable because nothing is out there to back up what you say.

Maybe that is why you try to hard to not keep with the subject and get off on these tangents that really are you being defensive and showing a thin skin.  I am all for getting back on subject,.  You were the one to mock me because of a typo and then start making accusations against my character by claiming I use misinformation, propaganda or lies in my posts,  without backing up anything you said.  You have not once given any evidence that any single claim you have made against me here is valid.

Once more, either present your evidence and prove me wrong, or apologize and back down. I refuse to allow you to discredit me so.  obviously integrity means much more to me than it does to you.

posted by kooka_lives on December 18, 2005 at 12:22 PM | link to this | reply

Janes

I think you are addressing this issue very objectively. There are many of us who feel is we so much as mention we believe in God and our Christian brothers, we are subject to being horribly harassed.

You, on the other hand have made that message quite clear. Thank you and MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

posted by Offy on December 18, 2005 at 11:21 AM | link to this | reply

For crying out loud!

Kooka, if you're referring to billy_cargo, all he said was that Kooka is a little heavy handed.  Is that what you're all bent out of shape over and referring to in your last comment?  Judging from all you've written, you are very thin skinned and unable to take criticism.  Look back to what Gomedome said regarding my comment to him.  And then look at my two comments back to him.  If it's legit, I am certainly willing to apologize and willing to take constructive criticism. 

I have NEVER met someone as defensive and thin skinned as you. 

But having said all that, I am certain you will present, as usual, a very, very, very defensive comeback and will be all hot and bothered over what I've just said.

posted by JanesOpinion on December 18, 2005 at 11:12 AM | link to this | reply

Do you not see the double standard here?

My character gets attacked in the post. I defend myself.  It is then implied that I am not as good as Janes because I made a typo., so I defend myself.  And yet somehow all those who share in Janes beliefs decided I am the one who is in the wrong and doing the attacking?

If Janes attacks my character with no examples or evidence to back her up, she is the right and I have no right to defend myself or to present my side. Yet if I do defend myself and ask for Janes to provide evidence of her claims against me, I am attacking harshly and unjustly.  Read the post, look at the comments made.  I really did not start this and so far have only been defending myself against clear personal attacks against my character.

You people truly lack integrity and seem to wish to show and celebrate it as if it were something to be proud of.

posted by kooka_lives on December 18, 2005 at 10:33 AM | link to this | reply

Thanks, Billy, for your encouragement.

I would agree with you on both counts regarding Kooka and debate!

God bless, and Merry Christmas.

posted by JanesOpinion on December 18, 2005 at 10:21 AM | link to this | reply

Janes, this is a great post. I vaguely addressed the same issue a couple

of days ago but your argument is elquent and insightful...where mine was a random thought I had on a slow day at work.  I enjoy reading the comments too though I do think Kooka attacks a little heavy handed at times.  But heated debate is the most interesting thing on Blogit.

posted by FreeManWalking on December 18, 2005 at 9:55 AM | link to this | reply

Janes, that is called an 'example'

"So if you imply that I am stupid and that you are smarter than I am, I am in the wrong for standing up for myself?"

For although I was making reference to what you were implying, the meaning itself it not about what you said but the possible idea behind such things in general.  You would of course need the full quote to see that, not just a small part.  It actually is not saying your were doing that, but the possibility or that being done. Iif you look you will see all direct mention towards what you were implying is only about you showing yourself to be better or more intelligent than I.

posted by kooka_lives on December 18, 2005 at 9:28 AM | link to this | reply

"So if you imply that I am stupid and that you are smarter than I am" -- these were your own words, Kooka. YOU used the word "stupid." 

posted by JanesOpinion on December 18, 2005 at 8:22 AM | link to this | reply

Janes

I never said stupid, just not intelligent (there is a difference there).  You very much implied that I was not as great or smart as you when you said "Ah, Justsouno, gotta love those typos, eh?  He says he never bashes Christians, and always seems to be the epitome of perfection (in his own opinion) when it comes to his beliefs, but golly sure has trouble proof reading his work. "

Although I have never once claimed t be perfect.  You are very clearly here trying to imply that you are somehow a better, more intelligent person than I am because you do not make typos.  Unless of course you wish to rewrite the meanings of words and pretend you were trying to say something else. Should be interesting to see what B.S. you spit out to try and make it seem as though you were not trying to insult me there.

I am still waiting for you to show one ounce of integrity and give examples to your accusations against me.  I have given you a clear examples of mine against you and all one needs do is read this post and the comments we have left for each other to see the evidence to back up all the claims I have made.  You have yet to provide any examples at all to back up any of what you have claimed about me.  Grow up, show some integrity and either find examples, or admit you have nothing and apologize.  Unless of course you are wishing to make it clear you care not about integrity, which would not surprise me at all.

Once more I will restate, I have NEVER and will NEVER use misinformation, lies or propaganda in any of my posts.  This is one of those things where you really are showing just how much integrity you truly lack.,  You give no examples at all and yet you keep the claims going.  Every time I have made such claims about someone I have shown proof of what I say.  You are attacking my character and integrity very openly here without any proof or evidence at all outside of your own views which are just based on the simple fact you disagree what my beliefs and wish to discredit me every chance you get.

posted by kooka_lives on December 18, 2005 at 8:19 AM | link to this | reply

Kooka, where the HELL did I imply you were stupid?  Simply because I said that I take the time to proof what I've written -- does that imply you're stupid?  For crying out loud. If anything, it implies that I'm anal.  I am so not going to take the time to address all the CRAP you've written against me!

You are so frickin sensitive about everything.  You jump to hugely eroneous conclusions and take flying leaps in the wrong direction.  I refuse to take the time to address your other accusations.  They are wrong, and quite frankly, I'm tired and going to bed.

And whether or not I decide to read the misinformation, lies and propaganda you will likely post about me tomorrow remains to be seen.  With the mood I'm in tonight, it's doubtful.  I'm sure there are others out there who will enjoy reading what you have to say but I question whether I will fall into that trap.

Good night.

posted by JanesOpinion on December 17, 2005 at 8:46 PM | link to this | reply

You are so blind

To your own hypocrisy.  it is not because you 'stand up' for yourself. It is because you put me down, so I come back at you and you say I am attacking you, when you are the one who threw the first insult.  At no pint have I said you are like this because you are Christians.  Where have you gotten that rom?  I was saying you seem to think because I go after you after you attack em that I am attacking all Christians just because you are one of them.  So far you have only defended yourself by being everything you claim I am and showing much less respect for me than I show for you.

What assumptions did I make?  That you are taking my comments about you as attacks against all Christians?  Well you tried to claim that my comment to you personally was an example of my Christian bashing.  No assumption there, just read your own comment to me.  I just showed what you had already made clear.  It is not Christians in general who I am bashing or going after, just one's who such as yourself who are hypocrites and lack integrity.

So if you imply that I am stupid and that you are smarter than I am, I am in the wrong for standing up for myself?  That by defending myself and my character from unjustified attacks by you I am doing something wrong?  And then you call your attacks on me a good thing because you are defending yourself by putting me down and trying to imply I am either not intelligent or lazy, or both?

And what accusations am I bashing you with?  So far you have shown yourself to be as hypocritical as it gets.  I am not allowed to do to you what you are very much doing to me.  I only made comment about your possible level of intelligence after you made such about mine.  I have done  nothing to you here that you did  not do to me first.

And yes, I do not hate.  Even those such as you who annoy me and show to me the true downfall of humanity, I can not hate.  I have no hate for you at all.  I hate no one.  I worry about those like you and the ideas you spread because you are a danger to freedom and free thinking.  Your views are regressive and would only serve to bring us back to a dark age.

It is fact that I do not use lies, propaganda or misinformation in any of my posts.  I clearly either state proven fact or opinion and if it is opinion, I make it clear that it is opinion.  I know you still are unclear as to what facts and proof are, since you never once provide any facts to back up your accusations.  After all I know for a fact I do not attack or bash Christians in general, you claim otherwise yet you have not provide one bit of proof to back this up.  Go and find for me where I have ever used lies, misinformation or propaganda in my posts.  You won't because it is not there.  I have integrity and you are challenging it right now, so either find the proof or apologize for this attack on my character and shut up about it.  You see whenever I make those claims I back them up with proof because I do not attack a  person's character unless I know they have shown that character to be weak and I have proof to back up what ever claim I make.

posted by kooka_lives on December 17, 2005 at 7:48 PM | link to this | reply

Amen, Blanche . . . and God bless!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 17, 2005 at 6:48 PM | link to this | reply

JanesOpinion, ,

I do see.  As I said, been there, done that, engaged in this debate before.  I just came away frustrated with myself for having put so much mental energy into a circular argument, convincing anyone as to the existence of God by means of words, is a tough sell, particularly this crowd

posted by Blanche. on December 17, 2005 at 5:55 PM | link to this | reply

Yeah, headache is right.

And regarding the spelling of julep -- I should clarify (before I'm accused of some other offense here) that I wasn't questioning your spelling of the word!!!  As I typed it (in response to your comment) I was thinking, hmmm, "e" or "i" or ?

But as you've been able to see what sort of things I'm up against here, you will probably understand my paranoia.

posted by JanesOpinion on December 17, 2005 at 5:52 PM | link to this | reply

JanesOpinion,

I'm not sure about the spelling on "julep" either, since I don't actually drink them, just throw that out there, cause that's about my interpretation of what "Blanche Dubois", the southern belle would be drinking.  I really have no idea.  In an argument of this nature, just about any alcohol will do, to numb the headache it induces. 

posted by Blanche. on December 17, 2005 at 5:45 PM | link to this | reply

Ha ha, Blanche, I'm laughing with you!

You can jump back in the ring on the next one.  Enjoy the mint julep (sp?).

posted by JanesOpinion on December 17, 2005 at 5:42 PM | link to this | reply

JanesOpinion,

I really am going to sit this one out, Ill leave you to defend the faith.  You're doing a great job, btw, but I need a mint julep if I'm going to go anywhere with this...been there, done that, in circles.

posted by Blanche. on December 17, 2005 at 5:37 PM | link to this | reply

Blanche, it looks like I'll need some . . .

alligator skin tomorrow when Kooka's blog comes out.  We'll see what sort of lies, misinformation and wrong assumptions he's able to come up with this time around.

posted by JanesOpinion on December 17, 2005 at 5:33 PM | link to this | reply

Where do you come up with all this crapola?

Holy cow, Kooka.  So because I have the audacity to stand up for myself and defend myself, I am now high and mightier than you?  Purportedly because I'm a Christian?  I've accused you before of making a flying leap of monumental assumptions and now you've gone and done it all over again. 

For crying out loud!  All I did was defend myself and once again I get my head bashed in with all these accusations.  And yet you are able to say (a previous post of yours a few moons back) that it is impossible for you to hate. 

Well, I'll look forward to reading all the lies, misinformation and hate (to borrow the phrase you've coined) that you have to share about me in tomorrow's blog.  I hope it makes you feel better to say whatever it is that you're going to say.

Oh and yeah, Merry Christmas!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 17, 2005 at 5:31 PM | link to this | reply

Janes

So you are saying that it was 100% fine for you to imply that you are smarter and better than I am because I made a typo and did waste my time in worrying about it?  My last comment was basically directed at you because you have a high and mighty attitude, not at Christians as a whole. That is completely different than what you are claiming I do.  But of course your ago says that if I have issue with you and go after you in my own defense, that because you are so great and that you are Christian, that I must be attacking all Christians because I have a problem with you.  What an ego you have.  I'm surprise you can walk with such a load of B.S. weighing down on you.  Sorry, but you are not the whole of the Christian faith, and so if I go after you, I am not attacking other Christians by doing such.

But I guess you can attack me directly and try to imply that you are better than I am that openly and that is justified.  Yet if I speak my mind and say I disagree with your beliefs I am the one who is attacking.

You are truly, truly childish.  Do you not see how hypocritical you truly are?

Don't use me going after you personally, after you attack me as an example of my Christian bashing, because that was directed at you in response to your ego and arrogance.  FInd for me an example when I have bashed Christians as a whole, not one or two specific people who have shown themselves to be as childish as you.

I almost feel like I should do no editing at all of my comments to you now, making sure all my typos are right there out in the open for you to see just to show you how little respect I have for you, (Not for Christianity, just you) since you do all you can to show me you do not deserve any respect at all.  For you see I do do a quick edit and spell check of all my posts and comments., but we are all not as perfect as you and some of us mere mortal do miss a typo here and there.  So as you sit on your pedestal judging us all for our fault na making sure it is known that you do no wrong, we can only hope you understand that mistakes happen and that such mistakes are irrelevant in the greater level of it all.

Oh, and just for the record, you are so going to hate the post I have planned for tomorrow.  It is not Christians bashing, but I am sure you will believe it to be.  It will very much be about you ego problem and that need for you to keep telling us all that you are so much better than we are.

posted by kooka_lives on December 17, 2005 at 5:16 PM | link to this | reply

JanesOpinion,

You have a thicker skin than I do. 

posted by Blanche. on December 17, 2005 at 4:45 PM | link to this | reply

Oh and Gomedome, regarding the offensive statement you feel I made . . . .

I should let you know that I do view my work as being a mission, and take seriously the work I do in reaching out to people.  Yes, I was irked at you, and perhaps wishing to shame you a bit (and for that I apologize) but I do want you to know that what I said about my work is real.  It's ME.  When I am working with suffering, hurting or sick people, I give them my all and truly do everything possible to minister without words to them.

Thanks, as always, for stopping by!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 17, 2005 at 3:58 PM | link to this | reply

Thank you, Kooka, for that typical expression of your usual condescension

and arrogance.

As usual, I am not surprised.  Right there (i.e. your last comment) is a prime example of your ability to bash.  Regarding your supposed need to slow down for me, forget it, no need.  I make many typos myself, because my brain moves faster than my fingers; however, I always take a few seconds to review what I've written (both blogs and comments) simply because proper grammar is important to me.  It shows those who read that I care about what I've written. 

posted by JanesOpinion on December 17, 2005 at 3:42 PM | link to this | reply

Gome, I'm sorry you found my comment offensive.  To be honest, I took your comment about using my comment comparing Christianity to an STD . . . seriously rather than tongue in cheek.  To compare Christianity to an STD is so revolting an idea to me.  I used that comparison because it seemed a fitting description of your general antipathy towards Christianity. 

posted by JanesOpinion on December 17, 2005 at 3:34 PM | link to this | reply

JANES, I FEEL I NEED TO APOLOGIZE

In the future I shall try to think as slow as you do so I avoid making typos. After all we all can not think slower than we typo or have such little to with our lives that we go and proof read our comments here on Blogit.  After all I know how important it is that we all not make typos on Blogit.  This is such a professional atmosphere here.

Regretfully m mind works to fast and I lack the ability to slow down my thinking to match my typing and I also lack the desire to waste my time worrying about if I made a small typo in my comments to someone.  Since testing has shown the average person will normally over look a typo as long as the word is close enough and I am not getting paid anything to leave comments so I do not feel the need to worry about small mistakes that the average sixth grader would be able to mentally correct without nay effort.  if these typos do confuse you and give you a head ache, please tell me so that in order to help you from stressing out I will try to use simpler words and avoid making typos that might bother you.

That or you can get down off you pedestal and stop trying to discredit me through childish comments that really are nothing more than you trying to prove you are better than me.  I really am not sure how you attitude in this shows Christians in a better light.  If anything when you make such comments you show yourself to fit into much of what you claim we are saying.  Not sure why you wish to prove yourself wrong.

posted by kooka_lives on December 17, 2005 at 12:36 PM | link to this | reply

JanesOpinion - I find your reply to my comment offensive

Mostly because my comment was tongue in cheek but your reply steps out of this theme to attempt a low blow with some form of manufactured shame.  There is no connection between my comment and what you have chosen to respond with, just as there is no connection between the good acts of your religion's adherants and their transgressions. Good or loving acts done in the name of your God do not eliminate the transgressions routinely performed by it's adherants. Your response is simply trying to utilize this notion in reverse and as a weapon of sorts, which I find is typical.       

posted by gomedome on December 17, 2005 at 12:23 PM | link to this | reply

Janes

Give me an example where I bash Christians.  Don't just say it because I disagree with your beliefs, show it.  You are not going to be able to because it is not there.  Yes, I may point out that flaws in some Christians in the way they present themselves, but that is not Christian bashing unless you wish to say those people are doing right in their actions.

I do not bash, I do not attack and I show much more respect towards you and those who believe as you do than you show to me.  Get over yourself and stop playing the victim.

posted by kooka_lives on December 17, 2005 at 7:44 AM | link to this | reply

And Blanche, you are so very entitled to your differences with the President, his religion and his political views, and thank God for that freedom of expression and opinion that we have in this country!

And as an FYI, I have struggled with a number of his decisions, but overall I am grateful for his leadership.

God bless!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 16, 2005 at 8:00 PM | link to this | reply

Janes_Opinion,

At the risk of detonating a land mine, because when I came back to Blogit after a hiatus, I swore off discussions of religion for this very reason, I imagine Christianity draws heat because it is the majjority religion of the US,  and the President is a Christian, so his values represent us. I have my political disagreements with how well he represents those values, and how they refflect on me.

posted by Blanche. on December 16, 2005 at 7:56 PM | link to this | reply

You know what, Blanche? I completely agree.  What is it about Christianity that Atheists and cynics feel so compelled to spend SO MUCH TIME hashing???  They say they disagree equally with all religions, so why not spend months at a time bashing another religion? 

NOPE, they FIXATE on Christianity and fixate and fixate ad nauseum.  Makes you wonder if there's REALLY SOMETHING TO IT AFTER ALL!!!

As ever, thanks for stopping and commenting!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 16, 2005 at 7:52 PM | link to this | reply

Justsouno,

Thank you for your well-expressed thoughts and perspective.  As you say, I am too busy incorporating my faith into my life to want to bandy words, and empty phrases on the level of 13 year old about religion and faith.  These discussions get tedious and often end badly, and one wonders why those who profess to deny the existence of God really have to spend such an inordinate amount of time and energy doing it.  

As for your patience, it is a miracle, proof enogh of the existence of a benevolent God, to keep smiling in the face of constant kindness like the dear Kooka's, who is so eminently respectful. 

posted by Blanche. on December 16, 2005 at 6:57 PM | link to this | reply

MandaLee, you delightful person, a big

Merry Christmas  to YOU, too!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 16, 2005 at 6:54 PM | link to this | reply

Ah, Justsouno, gotta love those typos, eh?  He says he never bashes Christians, and always seems to be the epitome of perfection (in his own opinion) when it comes to his beliefs, but golly sure has trouble proof reading his work. 

But then, not everyone is blessed with a mother such as mine, who had such a knack for editing.  Darn it if she didn't catch every tiny little mistake in all of my papers growing up.  So it's been drilled into me to carefully proof all of my work, no matter how short the comment or lengthy the blog.  Some people have not been so blessed/cursed!!!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 16, 2005 at 6:53 PM | link to this | reply

Gomedome, if you really do see Christianity as being the equivalent of an STD then sure, by all means, use the expression. 

And I'll keep that in mind as I do my prn (as needed) nurse practitioner job in women's health.  When I look at a woman's genitalia and see a herpetic lesion or other painful STD, when I reach out to a hurting woman who has been raped and show her warmth and acceptance, when I put my arms around her and show her the unconditional love of God in action (without preaching a word), I'll remember your words. 

posted by JanesOpinion on December 16, 2005 at 6:49 PM | link to this | reply

Sorry Kooka, but to use an expression from my dad, I fear you must be drinking your own bathwater when you say you don't bash Christians.  Complete denial, dear Atheist, complete and utter denial.

As ever, thanks for stopping and commenting, even though we completely 180 degrees disagree!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 16, 2005 at 6:27 PM | link to this | reply

Hi JanesOpinion, Thank you for the wonderful post!

Merry Christmas!

posted by Amanda__ on December 16, 2005 at 9:00 AM | link to this | reply

justsouno

So you are perfect I guess and never make any typos.

For everyone here, it should be 'for a fact' not 'for a fat' in the second to last sentence in my last comment.

posted by kooka_lives on December 15, 2005 at 9:04 PM | link to this | reply

JanesOpinion - This is a great line

"........you’ve known thousands who have been afflicted by Christianity – as if it was some dreadful STD..."

Mind if I use it in the future?

posted by gomedome on December 15, 2005 at 8:44 PM | link to this | reply

Alert-correction next to last sentence!

posted by Justi on December 15, 2005 at 8:42 PM | link to this | reply

Janes I read Kooka's comment and totally understood all of it when I came

to the last sentence. It was summed up completely by 'for a fat'!

posted by Justi on December 15, 2005 at 8:41 PM | link to this | reply

Wow

You really just want to play the victim that badly I guess.

I do not bash Christians at all. I treat them as equal to all religions, as I keep trying to make clear and I do show great respect to them all. is it just you and so many others wish to be the victim. If I talk about the fault in religions, I must be going after Christians. if I find a Christian here who is showing themselves to be truly hate filled and such, I must be attacking all Christians. If I make a comment that I can not believe in Hell and am unable to see how any caring person could believe in such a thing, I must be going after Christians.

You obviously refuse to try and grasp the meanings of my posts. You wish to play the victim and see anything that shows Christians in something less than a perfect light as being bashing.

I have always and will continue to show Christians and other believers much more respect than I get from them for the most part. I have done this in all of my posts and will keep on doing such. You really need to read my posts and not just figure I am attacking. See what is actually being said and see the points I make. There is no bashing going on. Just observations and opinions in regards to beliefs. I know for fat I make some very valid points. If you would just read what I say and really think about it you might start to understand what it is I am saying there.

posted by kooka_lives on December 15, 2005 at 8:36 PM | link to this | reply

Meeshe, what a beautiful, gracious response!  Thank you for that and God bless!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 15, 2005 at 7:17 PM | link to this | reply

Stay Firm

Let the comments role off.  You can't change them, you can only add fuel to their fire.  Knowing who you are in Christ is enough.  Shine through your writing and when negative comments arrive.  Just respond with, "Thanks for your opinion." (and then, pray.)

posted by meeshe4 on December 15, 2005 at 7:14 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks Justso.  I appreciate your "older woman" words of wisdom.  I'm so thankful to read, too, that your arm is better!!!

posted by JanesOpinion on December 15, 2005 at 6:48 PM | link to this | reply

Jane's

I didn't know about this Blog. Glad I found it. I have missed you. I can say with fair assumption of certainty that you have missed me after seeing this as your list of "friends".

Jude you know was the Christian's whistle blower, read him again. He knew these people then and suggest we simply not hang with them for hear of getting that off onto ourselves. Some you can literally pull from the fire, others may have been instrumental in building the fire.

Love to see you writing in varied venues. Be blessed. justsouno

posted by Justi on December 15, 2005 at 6:45 PM | link to this | reply