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posted by
Xeno-x
on May 22, 2008 at 1:00 PM
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On the subject of sacrifice
I dnn't sacrifice for anyone and don't want anyone sacrificing for me. I do however enjoy giving and receiving gifts. For more on the difference check out my post entitled "Sacrifice for me? Thanks but no thanks"
posted by
jollyjeff
on April 18, 2006 at 9:48 AM
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That makes a lot of sense Mr Nobody
posted by
jollyjeff
on April 18, 2006 at 9:46 AM
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perhaps
perhap easter symbolizes the eternal /ever-lasting within us. Jesus was showing us, by example, that there is life after "death" and that all things are possible
posted by
mr-nobody1
on April 18, 2006 at 4:43 AM
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I think it's confusing because it's anachronistic
There was a time when the idea of someone noble dying in our stead made sense to those nurtured in Judeo-Christian cultures (as well, of course, as Islam). But as we have absorbed Eastern ideas, at first indirectly in movements like Deism, Science of Mind and Christian Science, later directly from Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism and the like, it has become decreasingly tenable to think in this way. The world has gotten smaller; and the danger of religious hatred has grown very large (I'm thinking nuclear warheads here). Perhaps it's time for Jesus to step back and the Spirit to step forward in the economy of the Trinity. While allegiance to Jesus divides, allegiance to the Spirit unites. All beliefs espouse Spirit in some measure. Surely by our various paths the Spirit leads us toward a common light.
posted by
MadDogBlogr
on January 1, 2006 at 12:15 PM
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Makes sense to me Xeno-X
Thanks for the history lesson
posted by
jollyjeff
on November 12, 2005 at 8:56 AM
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can i be serious here?
good questions
the basic thing to understand is that we are talking analogy here.
at one time, people believed human sacrifice was an atonement --
then animal sacrifice prevailed.
the idea behind the Jesus thing is that this sacrifice supercedes the animal sacrifices.
but above and beyond it is a movement toward new perceptions
we leave off this sacrifice thing and then we find we are back before the sin and atonement cycle.
the guilt thing.
religion holds its power over people through the guilt thing. you sin and the religion has to do something abouit it -- they define sin (tree of knowledge of good and evil) and the wages thereof (crime and punishment); however, they set up certain ways one can avoid the punishment (hell). a few "hail Mary's" and "Our Father's" and the veneal sins are taken care of. a bunch more and more seirous sins bite the dust.
people naturally feel guilty, thought they don't know what about; so religion tells them what they should feel guilty about.
back then, instead of "Hail Mary" ,etc., it was a dove or a sheep. Then Paul said it was Jesus going through a similar sacrifice -- happened to be when lambs were being sacrificed at the temple.
but the end result is: we have to get away from the guilt/redemption cycle -- understand that we have to live our lives without all this.
Paul was talking to people who felt animal sacrifice was necessary -- he substituted the "son of god".
we don't have to. (ah! I feel an attack coming on!)
we're all right
all we have to do is
"work out your own salvation with fear and trembling".
live our lives, assess our lives, aim to hurt other people less and help other people more.
forget all that other stuff.
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 11, 2005 at 2:40 PM
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intriguing to see the divided opinion over this.
RAME and I agree. and now we're two against three.
Jolly is just being obtuse for a bit of frivolous fun unless he's an intentional reprobate like some on this site.
It's too soon for me to judge.
But Christ did say he came to create division. He will ultimately divide between the sheep and the goats on judgment day--and I'm pretty sure the goats are the stubborn ones who continue in their sins, while the sheep are the meek ones who repent of sins and yield themselves as servants of righteousness.
The choice remains yours and, NU, that's why a prophet had to die to give us a choice to live responsibly and receive rewards. Or do you not understand the concept of eternal retribution and rewards?
posted by
Ebb.and.Flow
on November 9, 2005 at 5:29 PM
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I totally agree. Excellent point! Why would a prophet hyave to sacfrifice himself for other peoples sins? Each and every human is responsible for their own actions. I'm not denying his existence. As I states in my posts,Had it not been for evil things in this world, then we would never know who the good ones are. The giving, the patient, and so on. Again, Excellent post, Thanks!
posted by
nuwriter
on November 6, 2005 at 12:30 PM
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Excellent points. It would all be for nothing if we didn't go out and so some bad. =)
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on November 6, 2005 at 12:56 AM
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jollyjeff,
He didn't give up a weekend for our sins. His entire life was about teaching and guiding us so that we could and would follow Him, for He showed us the path to Heaven.
If you want to know the truth about the Passion and the amount of time it took you have to do some studying. Some friends of mine who teach religion classes at church have done that and have found out that in fact from start to finish, the Agony in the Garden happened about a week before His actual death on the cross and going in front of Pilate and His scourging and crowning with thorns etc. all took place in the days leading up to the Crucifixion. I truly don't remember all the specifics or I'd write a blog on it. As a matter of fact, I think I will contact those people and see if they still have all the material on that.
No matter what, Christ's dying on the cross made it possible for us to reach Heaven when it wasn't possible before. That does not mean that we can just sin, sin, sin and expect to get to Heaven. We have to want to go to Heaven and we have to love Him and want to be with him. When we sin, we are definitely NOT loving Him.
We still have to pay for our sins so I would think that we would be a lot better off if we sin less. If we truly love God and want to be with Him in Heaven, then the last thing we want to do is hurt Him. We don't want to be thankless for His ultimate sacrifice for our sakes. How ungrateful would that be? By sinning more, we are choosing to reject Him more.
If you made a sacrifice for anyone, then they threw it in your face like that, how would you feel?
posted by
RAME
on November 4, 2005 at 12:28 PM
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Lol!
Two very good points.
posted by
jojostar
on November 4, 2005 at 11:53 AM
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