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Eldon, I'll tell you where they're going next to find the terrorists:
Tehran. It's payback time!
posted by
kingmi
on August 12, 2005 at 11:57 PM
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The war in Iraq can hold no comparisons with WWII. We are not fighting singular countries, but an idea, an idea that leads to extremism. We are not fighting Islam, or the Muslim people, but a sick deformity of their religion, that they have more of a right to feel aghast at how the Qua'ran has been twisted so, to aid terrorism. I'd just like to ask you all how can we fight and destroy an idea? The Americans went looking for it in the mountains of Afghanistan, but to no avail. Now they are looking for it in Iraq, where will they go to next? The truth is it is in the minds of many confused and disullusioned young Muslims, much like the nineteen year old who was one of the suicide bombers' in London. Of the war itself in Iraq, all i can say is that one day history will judge us.
posted by
Eldon
on August 12, 2005 at 4:14 PM
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Offbeatpub,
There is something about your way of wordage that is very, well suggestive! "Duct tape for my hands"! I tell you Republican ladies seem to have it "going on"! And the Democrats only have Hilliary! Saddd!
posted by
Glennb
on August 12, 2005 at 1:53 PM
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GlenB
You need duct tape for the hands!!
posted by
Offy
on August 12, 2005 at 1:14 PM
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Kingmi,
Your Blog is mislabeled!!!!
posted by
Glennb
on August 11, 2005 at 7:41 AM
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Kingmi,
I see your point in opposing the Iraq situation, but I have seen this all before. I think that you have too. The public gets into a total frenzy over the issue of war, all media become slanted and inaccurate, and the public becomes confused and irate. They form an opinion that is based on nothing that directly relates to the issue, and they accept as truth anything that supports the opinion that they have pre-formed from whatever their source.
Don't you remember all of this shit? It's a rerun. Gather accurate information, verify accuracy ten times, then spend some THOUGHTFUL time on forming an opinion. Let us not make all of the same idiotic mistakes that were made in the Asian situation. Are we incapable of avoiding stupid repetitions of history?
The situation today is different in dozens of ways to what it was in Viet Nam. Primarily, we are at a much higher risk of worldwide social calamity--and I mean CALAMITY.
I don't begin to have the space here to go into the details of that, but it shouldn't require any educated, socially aware, person much rational thought to see it. 
JJ
posted by
Jack_Flash
on August 11, 2005 at 3:23 AM
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D,
Indeed, that is useful, disturbing information and I thank you for sharing it.
I think you're making the point better than I can. The point being that there are atrocities being commited on both sides. All the while hands are shaken and agreements are made, and there's really not a whole lot We the People can do about it. We can only speculate on what is "truth" and hope for the best.
Sometimes it really seems like history is made and written after the fact.
posted by
myrrhage_
on August 11, 2005 at 2:47 AM
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iSiSeYeSs...
...what's interesting is this was all carried out by the Ba'athist regime. Now, top US officials in Iraq are sitting down with some of the top Ba'athists who were active in Saddam's regime, talking with them and getting them involved in the "democracy" process.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on August 11, 2005 at 2:39 AM
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GlennB,
Certainly not. The photos merely illustrate that there is more to this affair than meets the eye. How can I make a decision about how I feel until I have the WHOLE story? Consider the photos "Chapter Iraqi Government Kills Own People". Right now we are in "Chapter American Government Sends Young Men to Die for Dubious Cause".
I can't see this in black and white, sorry to disappoint you. There IS no black and white.
posted by
myrrhage_
on August 11, 2005 at 2:37 AM
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iSiSeYeSs
I hope you are not using those photos as a basis for your confusion! There are a lot more dead bodies in Iraq since the invasion than all the years of Saddam Hussein! You can get more graphic photos with the blood still flowing and the flesh still on the bones if the military allowed it!
posted by
Glennb
on August 11, 2005 at 2:34 AM
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Kingmi,
Sorry, I guess that link thing didn't work out so well. Here's the site again:
http://massgraves.info/
posted by
myrrhage_
on August 11, 2005 at 2:23 AM
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Kingmi,
I've been contrary about whether to dabble my toes in this particular issue, and have even written - and subsequently deleted - several posts on the matter. But your essay was well thought out, and the attached article intriguing, so here we go again. I'll probably hate myself in the morning for this.
For a long time I was certain that we had no business in Iraq. Right now, I'm about 50% undecided and 100% confused. The media has seen to it that the wool is pulled over the public's eyes. Neither side holds commodity on the truth, each basing "facts" off the opinions of the others. When it comes to public information - or misinformation - there are no innocents in this war.
I do know this: Iraq did not attack us on September 11. Yet by all appearances, we have forgotten our work in Afghanistan. For that matter, the slaughter, rape, child abduction etc. that took place in Bosnia/Herzegovina during the Clinton Administration seemed to have been forgotten almost as soon as said former president finished his last term. Then it was on to the next thing, now sensationalized - and therefore noticed - simply because it happened on American soil.
Why am I rambling on like this? Because I wanted to share the photos I came across on the web not long ago. It's hard to say whether or not we were justified in going to war. I'm certainly not the expert on that. But it is painfully easy to see that something is horribly wrong in the world, and Iraq happens to be one of the hotbeds of something we probably won't understand for another 50 years or longer.
Here are the pictures, in case you're interested. They aren't fun to look at.
<a href="http://massgraves.info/">Iraq Mass Graves</a>
It was nice reading you, keep up the good work!
iSiS
posted by
myrrhage_
on August 11, 2005 at 2:22 AM
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Offbeatpub,
Go back to sleep! This Twodog clown is not on active duty! His son is? So he says! You are as blind as a bat with it's head in the sand! Sleep obviously does nothing for you!
posted by
Glennb
on August 11, 2005 at 2:10 AM
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DamonLeigh,
Very well stated! But it will not deter these Bush behind lickers from continuing to make the mindless and insulting comparison!
posted by
Glennb
on August 11, 2005 at 2:08 AM
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Mr Wiley...
...is quite right to call for an end to comparisons with WWII.
It's a sick stunt, and it degrades the veterans from that war.
Yes, America was attacked at Pearl Harbour, and that's what brought her (very belatedly) into WWII.
Yes, Britain was attacked last month, but it's HARDLY THE SAME THING, IS IT??
Oh, and by the way - victory at any cost = mutually assured destruction.
Think!!
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on August 11, 2005 at 1:59 AM
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Glen B
Don't you sit there on your high horse and say I am being foolish, you know damm well what being eaten for lunch means.. Two Dog in fighting in a war you consistantly are shouting your gutless wonder comments about. Hell, even I could eat you for lunch, instead I tend to stamp out varmits like you. Now stop talking to me!
Yes, Military wife is very active in the Vets adm and other social causes!
posted by
Offy
on August 11, 2005 at 1:56 AM
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Offbeatpub,
Why the juvenile comments? What does "eat for lunch" mean?
posted by
Glennb
on August 11, 2005 at 1:51 AM
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Offbeatpub,
I have no idea who this so called "Military Wife" person is! Her husband could be in harms way in Iraq? She is not! I do not like being beaten over the head with her alleged patriotic ferver because she "says" she is a "Military Wife"!
posted by
Glennb
on August 11, 2005 at 1:49 AM
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See King
Old GlenB is like a rat..comes out of holes and bites Two Dog..Speaking of which, Two Dog would eat him for lunch!
posted by
Offy
on August 11, 2005 at 1:45 AM
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King
Yes, I just woke up. Want to go back to sleep. Think I went to bed too early last night.
I was just reading what old GlenB had to say, and as usual, it was his "usual" sprew.
How is school? Do you like your students this year?
posted by
Offy
on August 11, 2005 at 1:44 AM
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Twodog,
You are the big asshole in Blogit! I hear people like you beating people over the head because they volunteered to serve in the military and wonder if they are sane! Volunteering to serve in the Military does not eliminate the responsibility of the President to deploy troops to defend America when America is threatened! Take on the burden of sending people into battle under the Constitution of the United States of America! The actions of George Bush is in direct violation of the rules of civilized behavior!
The all volunteer military is a "political" reality in America, not the personal police force of a war criminal!
posted by
Glennb
on August 11, 2005 at 1:44 AM
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Offbeat, Hey how are you? Just wake up?
posted by
kingmi
on August 11, 2005 at 1:40 AM
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GlenB
I see you are being your nasty normal self. Sucks to be you! Don't you ever call Military Wife a bag of wind. Her husband is brave and so is she. Now you shut the hell up you nasty man, little man!
posted by
Offy
on August 11, 2005 at 1:30 AM
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kingmi
Isn't it typical the media would focus on a single voice of opposition, and not the many of support? Her son was killed, tragic beyond belief, and yet, he voluntered, just as all our military, to serve their country. Exactly what did she think he was volunteering for? My son is scheduled to begin his second tour in Iraq sometime after the first of the year. He is in a high risk recon unit of the First Cavalry Division. He completed in excess of one hundred scheduled missions and numerous quick reaction force mission during his first tour. I expect he will do the same on his second. Her stake in the war is no greater, or no less, than my wife and I. That she would choose so public a place to demonstrate her grief is sad and cheapens her sons sacrifice.
posted by
twodog
on August 11, 2005 at 12:49 AM
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glennb, Thank you for the comments!
posted by
kingmi
on August 10, 2005 at 9:02 PM
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Anthony1wiley,
You are kidding right! Americans have never went into battle for the shifting reasons Bush used to exact this Iraqi campaign! Exposed as a liar and Americans are still being lied to! This is the most obvious and treasonist act of a President since Ronald Reagan! Bush will be found guilty there is too much evidence to be ignored! He is just buying time!
posted by
Glennb
on August 10, 2005 at 7:25 PM
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Offbeatpub,
You have no clue of what this "dead" soldier would want of his mother! Just because you people want to lick George Bush's ass to the end of the Earth does not mean that everyone else should! Shut the f##k up!
posted by
Glennb
on August 10, 2005 at 7:18 PM
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Military Wife,
You bag of wind! How dare you speak for the way this lady should react to the loss of her loved one! Wait until you experience that tragedy before you get on that trip! Shut the up!
posted by
Glennb
on August 10, 2005 at 7:16 PM
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Wiley, Well said. Thank you!
posted by
kingmi
on August 10, 2005 at 4:39 PM
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Kingmi
It was a good article and a very sad story of that mother. I think Offbeat says it well when I believe it was she suggested the son would have been happier to see his mom at home and I agree.
I don't think any of this can be equated to WW2 except that men are dying.
The only nobility comes from the fact that American man and women are following the orders of their elected President, as they have always done, responding to 9/11 still, but not solving or changing a culture or a situation.
I fear this is as sad as Viet Nam, but I hope the American government will honour these soldiers better than the Viet Nam veterans.
God Bless them all, men and women, and all who serve there and in Afghanistan, and all their loved one's who live in angst waiting for them to come home again.
posted by
WileyJohn
on August 10, 2005 at 2:47 PM
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MW, May God protect him!
posted by
kingmi
on August 10, 2005 at 10:24 AM
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King
I can't even begin to imagine this mother's pain. I know I came all to close to having my husband become a statistic the other day but I would NEVER pull a stunt like that mother.
My husband asked me to stay strong and no matter what happens understand that this is our country that he is defending. While he has some issues as to how and why this conflict is what is it is and some Iraqi civilians seem to think it is worth putting their own lives on the line to warn some soldiers. Whatever the rights or wrongs of this war....that one action speaks VOLUMES to me.
posted by
Bel_
on August 10, 2005 at 10:22 AM
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OBP, THANK YOU! YAY MICK JAGGER!
posted by
kingmi
on August 10, 2005 at 10:22 AM
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King
Our only choice is to stay the course. While I feel for the lady who lost her son, I bet he would want his Mother to stay home. We hear about the negative side of the news. People are simple when they don't put any more thought into than that. This war will be won, and for all who died, it will be for a better, more free Iraq. It will also be because the Iraqi people helped in deciding their future. War is hell, people get hurt, people die, just as they have in the many wars that came before this one.
posted by
Offy
on August 10, 2005 at 10:13 AM
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Glennb, Thank you. And now the award for most anochronistic blogger!
posted by
kingmi
on August 10, 2005 at 10:02 AM
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Kingmi,
As with most supporters of this invasion of Iraq, you are confused! The Iraqi People are the ones resisting the assault on their dignity and culture by an outside power! They are the People suffering the indignity of oppression! The 1,800 have already died for a criminal cause! Stop confusing or trying to equate WW II with this criminal act against the Iraqi People! It shows your stupidity! Stop counting the dead Americans, Bush has!
posted by
Glennb
on August 10, 2005 at 6:09 AM
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