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MayB: A very long time ago, I wrote a short story (fantasy) about "Rog The Fog". He started off heroic,as a dragonslayer. But eventually, he ran out of dragons to slay. So, he went around "righting wrongs", and otherwise helping people succeed. He was so good at it, especially bringing out the strengths in people, that most people became so busy believing "I did it", that they stopped seing Rog'spart on the process.But he kept on doing what he did best - the hero/self-sacrifice stuff. And so,vanished from the world as people see it.

Funnily enough, that's the way I feel, sometimes. Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy... (oh, people remembering what I taught is great, except it doesn't buy a cupof coffee).  

posted by L.E.Gant on May 25, 2005 at 4:02 PM | link to this | reply

Krisles, I love it when a reader can really relate to a post.

The fact is that some people are afraid to step out of the shadow and I have explained to them that if that is the case they must at least do what they can towards making each day pass as easily as possible - ie they must weigh up the pay rise for the promotion vs the extra grief. All must be considered.

I think I was fortunate that I took a break from my job and found out about the technicolor world. Of course once I had, I could never hand myself over to the company again.

posted by Azur on May 25, 2005 at 2:00 PM | link to this | reply

Great Post!
I was one who climbed the corporate ladder and pulled many behind me, worked hard and basked in what I feel was well deserved light at various times, knew and counseled many invisible ones to get out and make a start elsewhere before it was too late...then ended my career invisible to the new centurions but, luckily for me, I didn't have to endure that cloak for long before I could get out.  Spread the word, Mae, because while I don't agree that the root causes can be summed up as simply as those already noted, there is an invisibility factor and it is rarely overcome by other than the person walking out into a technicolor world.

posted by Krisles on May 25, 2005 at 12:53 PM | link to this | reply

Talion true. I guess I wasn't in the know about who to blow

posted by Azur on May 24, 2005 at 9:15 PM | link to this | reply

They just shipped out the last vestiges of the class of 74 at my old place, well only the good ones. The "yes" guys and they all are guys are still there. Strangely it is a place where people want to work but I know the truth.

posted by Azur on May 24, 2005 at 9:14 PM | link to this | reply

Hang on, canards coming.

"Blow your own horn; if you don't someone else will use it for a spitoon". (Ruth Gordon, close quote).

 

"There are some games that are better lost than won, and others it is better never to have played at all". (Help me here...Cicero?).

MayB, I dream time and again about going back to my first self-supporting factory job to tell them that the young goof they rightfully fired did okay. However, in my dream, the staff are the same as they were in 1974. I know this is fantasy, and the place you worked sounds like a self-consuming vortex the best people spin out of and consider themselves lucky.

posted by majroj on May 24, 2005 at 8:31 PM | link to this | reply

MayB
All too often in this world, it's not what you know but who you blow. Hell, I don't even like blowing my own horn so what do they expect to get from me?

posted by Talion on May 24, 2005 at 6:24 PM | link to this | reply

Thinking back on your comment L.E.Gant. That is pretty funny - the "master" of invisibility forgotten.

posted by Azur on May 24, 2005 at 6:18 PM | link to this | reply

L.E.GANT, at least you are saved by your ability not to take yourself too seriously and it's good at least that people remember what you said.

posted by Azur on May 24, 2005 at 3:25 PM | link to this | reply

Invisibility.... I'm the "master"! I've coached people in how to make sales (among other things). One part of the training covers "top of mind", and how to be there. People using the idea have been mostly successful.

However, the funny part is that the same techniques do not seem to work for me! Even the people I've trained have difficulty remembering where they got the techniques - they remember the training sessions, but not the presenter!  

posted by L.E.Gant on May 24, 2005 at 2:51 PM | link to this | reply

Scoop, yes, in this respect i would like my time over

posted by Azur on May 24, 2005 at 2:39 PM | link to this | reply

MayB,

now that I am retired I think back to certain work places and the people who climbed the ladder without trying and those others who toiled for years doing the work while the do nothings got the credit.

When I worked in the public sector the big joke was the  civil service testing concerning hiring and promotions,testing meant nothing,  the bosses still found out how to get their person in.

posted by scoop on May 24, 2005 at 2:35 PM | link to this | reply