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if satan was real then the animals would be ruthless killers, too.
posted by
Kelli
on January 7, 2005 at 11:35 AM
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Oh no, I can see the posts flying here! I'm going to duck out before fists start flying and the devil really does make an appearance! THIS is where the evil begins. "Yes, we're in the house now for sure and we're going to talk about the evil found only within the hearts of men"--dr. dre
posted by
Kelli
on January 7, 2005 at 11:34 AM
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Kelli...
I have one of those...his name is Shadow...lol...
posted by
SincerityAnna
on January 7, 2005 at 11:32 AM
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I, too, think evil is a creation of man. (besides my chihuahua who is a minion).
posted by
Kelli
on January 7, 2005 at 11:30 AM
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gomedome...
Right...I agree. We need to take the resposibilty for the reactions that our actions will make rather than calling on God to fix it all too...
posted by
SincerityAnna
on January 7, 2005 at 11:29 AM
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SincerityAnna -- certainly we do create our own evil
If there is one thing that really bothers me about the concept of Satan is that there is an opportunity to use this mythical creation as a scapegoat and / or a means of deflecting personal responsibility.
posted by
gomedome
on January 7, 2005 at 11:28 AM
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Gomedome...
Right. There is evil, yes. Satan, I'm not so sure. I do believe that we create our own evil...
posted by
SincerityAnna
on January 7, 2005 at 11:12 AM
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chris2303 --- how have you been
I stopped bye and read your posting, great stuff and very entertaining. I think I know why you were not able to solicit divergent viewpoints in your comments however. The declaration in the subtitle that the posting itself was for idiots. The natural human reaction upon seeing such a declaration is to assume that the posting is meant for someone else no matter how appropriate the label may be for the individual. "He can't be talking about me?"
posted by
gomedome
on January 7, 2005 at 6:23 AM
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mysteria --- always glad to help out
and thank you for stopping bye
posted by
gomedome
on January 7, 2005 at 6:19 AM
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gomedome
I've been reading your posts on the topic, now it's time for me to shamelessly plug my own take on things...
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/freemoneywriting/215393
Sadly, I never got any angry responses to my post so I had no one to play with...
posted by
chris2303
on January 7, 2005 at 12:11 AM
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GomeDome
It is you that is responsible for my current smile and playful mood...Thank you!
*Nothing beats winding up bible thumpers for fun*.
Too FuNNy! moochies mysteria
posted by
mysteria
on January 6, 2005 at 2:09 PM
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Jackie
Not at work today. I have Thursdays and Fridays off. I am missing out on weekends with my family, but we do find time to spend together. Right now that is the hardest part of it all for me. I love doing things as a family and hope to find a way to get back to that.
Hope you don't mind my personal off topic reply here Gomedome. I'll keep it short, at least short for me.
I am not able to leave comments from work, just write up posts and e-mail to my home e-mail so I can post them later.
Having a fun day at home though. Keeping busy with household projects. Working on a really fun one that I will most likely do a full post about later so I will not write the details here now. But it is a very fun project that is the type of creative work I need to do more often. I am getting my wife involved and will most like let my friends add to it as well if they would like.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 6, 2005 at 12:42 PM
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Gome. Im not offended at all.
I am simply pointing something out. By all means, dont tiptoe.
posted by
calmcantey75
on January 6, 2005 at 10:34 AM
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jackie_o -- one more time you are taking offence where none is intended
I do have sympathy for anyone who uses ancient scriptures to derive a convuloted and illogical explanation for the easily explainable. If you find condescention in that statement so be it. My days of tip toeing around Christian sensibilities are long gone.
posted by
gomedome
on January 6, 2005 at 10:30 AM
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Thats where you are wrong.
I do not live my life in fear of Satan. I do not live my life in fear of anything. The Bible does not teach that Christians are to afraid of Satan. They are to aware of his movements and subdue them. I live a confident life of peace and faith. Please, do not condescend to me with the" how can I express my sympathy" line. You are making assumptions about me that are not based on knowledge. The very thing you accused me of doing to you. Yet again you come off as arrogant( I dont know if you do it intentionally) , and I am being respectful and objective and not deigning to ridicule you with condescension and insulting assumptions.
Are you capable of conversing with a Christian without condescending? And no, you are not winding me up, I am perfectly calm.
posted by
calmcantey75
on January 6, 2005 at 10:15 AM
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Yep kooka_lives
Satan comes in handy for a lot of blame catching. Deflection of personal responsibility as well as I am sure you will agree.
posted by
gomedome
on January 6, 2005 at 10:04 AM
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jackie_o -- you are correct there
I will not or ever believe someone trying to convince me that Satan is real because they believe it. And yes I did read your first comment, twice as a matter of fact. Where my response may have seemed to wander away from what you were trying to express there simply is no answer for circular logic. How can I express my sympathy for you? That is exactly what I feel when I read something such as that which you wholeheartedly believe to be true. You must now live your life with the fear of being overcome by a conceptual or mythical being. I have no such fear, it is completely absent from my thought processes. It not only must detract from the beauty of life but has to suck as a lifestyle choice. And Satan manipulating electro-magnetic fields? Tricky little bugger.
posted by
gomedome
on January 6, 2005 at 9:57 AM
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thomas w
very good
posted by
calmcantey75
on January 6, 2005 at 9:02 AM
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Oh yeah, Satan is very real. I lived with her for almost four years.
posted by
ThomasWelch
on January 6, 2005 at 8:58 AM
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Kooka!! How's work going? What do they have you watching?
posted by
calmcantey75
on January 6, 2005 at 8:55 AM
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If Satan is not real
Then who is gave Bush a second term?
And why does dust keep piling up in my house?
I am positive those are the work of Satan.
Well maybe not, but they are both very annoying events and should be blamed on Satan if one was to believe Satan was real.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 6, 2005 at 8:50 AM
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Did you even read what I wrote?
I said very clearly that logic cannot explain or detect or prove spiritual things. I know what you think of that, " well thats convienient" No. Logic deals with the mind, not the spirit. How am I supposed to " prove" this to you. I does not matter what I say, you wont believe it.
And who do you think manipulates these electromagnetic fields? Some humans can, people with extremely powerful intellects to the point of even telekenis. These people can actually influence your thoughts. But Satan, who has been around since man has been created, has mastered that "art" to a tee, and all of demons.
I know you laugh at the concept of Satan. Just thought I would put my 2 cents in.
posted by
calmcantey75
on January 6, 2005 at 8:33 AM
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Wow jackie_o -- you not only have taken this notion on a circurlar walk
down the garden path you have stopped at an amusement park and spun the concept dizzy on all of the rides. I can ony think of one question. Are you aware that a large number of "spiritual manifestations" in a human host can be induced by the manipulation of electro magnetic fields?" You are giving what you refer to as the "spritual realm" a definition that is not based on any form of logic and goes far beyond what we know to be scientifically true. Do you really think that man at the time of the writing of the scriptures had any ideas of the properties of light, soundwaves and ambient electro-magnetic fields? I am the first to conceed that even today we do not have all of the answers but when simple scientific principles take a healthy bite out of what people have thought to be true for centuries should this not produce more questions? Have we not reached a time where relegating the finding of the answers to faith is inadequate?
posted by
gomedome
on January 6, 2005 at 8:11 AM
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Its not that I want Satan to be real, because I dont.
but he is, and I dont believe that because some pastor told me. It is logical in accordance with my faith in the scriptures. The intellect cannot detect or " figure out" the spirit realm or spiritual matters. But, the spirit realm and spiritual beings CAN influence the mind. If the intellect ( on its own) COULD deduce away possibilities of spiritual beings or decide spiritual affairs or even understand them, than the mind is bigger than the spirit, which it cannot be. Mental reach cannot overtake spiritual reach therefore it cannot understand it. That would mean our intellects are bigger than God Himself.
Therefore, in my opinion, you cannot intellectually conclude that a spiritual being does not exist. Now I am not saying God does not want us to use our mind, He just does not want us to use it as our God.
posted by
calmcantey75
on January 6, 2005 at 7:36 AM
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