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dogpark, Now you're getting it,
and with fewer gross overgeneralizations
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posted by
kingmi
on November 6, 2004 at 5:58 AM
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The end
This is the endof our discussion, as you still have yet to demonstrate that you have even the smallest conception of the word "illogical". Our disagreement is not one of logic, so since you refuse to stop using that term incorrectly, I give up. You are hopeless. Enjoy your ingorance.
posted by
dogpark
on November 5, 2004 at 11:24 PM
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DogPark, Now you have gone and done it.
This was the most illogical of all your diatribes! Yet your personalization of objective ideas remain roughly the same temperature. This is where I begin to question the balance of an individual traveling at such a rate.
As Mr. Kerry stated, he voted only for the authority. Yet your entire illogical argument, as do most of the arguments on your side, states, now, that this vote was to be inferred as actual support. My goodness, sir. You are blocked. 
posted by
kingmi
on November 5, 2004 at 1:25 PM
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Sadly and Clearly, you do not know the facts.
The Democrats supported Bush up until and during the Iraq invansion. That is proven fact. Bush's popularity was at 80 percent until then, and must have included a majority of Democrats. A majority of Democractic Senators voted for the war, led by Daschle! Know your facts!!!!!!!!!
If Bush had not made the teriible choices he made in how he waged this war, not that he waged this war, he would have had huge support from the Democrtic party. We all dispise terrorism and were more than willing to back our President as he attempted to crush it. It was the mistakes he made that upset us.
By the way, the mumbo jumbo you use to talk about "unclear thinking" and "subjectivism", still did not answer my requst for an example of any illogical statements in my original post.
First, all writing has subjectivism, just ask Heidegger, but I'm sure I'm goinjg way over your head on that one. A post written without a subjective point of view would be not only boring, but meaningless. The whole point of expression is to express a point of view. I can point to subjectivism throughout each and everyone of your posts(including you comments to me), as I can with everyone on blogit.
Second, that is not illogical! Subjectivism has nothing to do with logic. Logic is a system of rules used to organize language that is universally accepted. To say I am illogical is to say that a violated a very specific rule. Please tell me what logic rule I violated and I will gladly respond to that.
Third, even if we disagree about the facts stated above in the first paragraph, my argument was not illogical accroding to your critique, but merely factually incorrect. I don't think it was, but regardless, it was not illogical.
I think you need to take my course on Logic 101, before refering to anything being illogical ever again.
Thank yo for your time and have a nice day.
posted by
dogpark
on November 5, 2004 at 10:56 AM
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Dog Park, Please refrain from addressing me in the future, unless you
have the capacity for clear thinking in writing. I have no objection to your personalization of politics. Nor do I object to your extremist views, albeit unsupported by fact. What I do object to, however, is unclear thinking in writing. Writing is a process and one must do the rough draft before publishing.
The rough draft stage is where we take out all the instances of illogic. Unclear thinking is represented in any piece when the author obviously is way too attached to his subject, also known as subjectivism.
For example, your assertion that -- "...most, if not all of the Democratic party supported the war, until Bush screwed it up..." My observations about the democrats pulling apart hard-won unity among Americans living in America, referenced democratic anti-Bush positions on every issue, shortly after 9/11. Said assertion demonstrated by the shift in Washington, specifically of Minority Leader Daschle.
But thank you for your visit.
posted by
kingmi
on November 5, 2004 at 5:37 AM
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A reference to yoiur comment on my post
Thank you for the response to my post, "Why Kerry Lost". But your assumptions were off. There are a diverse group of voters in my family, and we all love to argue about it. And my current best friend, who I have lunch with on a daily basis, and two of my best friends from my hometown, are all hard core, born and bred Republicans. In fact, one of them is a Danforth, the Kennedy's of the Republican party.
To be honest, I now live in California and what I hate about it is that there is no one to discuss politics with, because everyone seems to agree with, which is very boring, and which is why I joined blogit.
By the way, my Republican friend is as upset as I am about the hijacking of the Republican party by the Religious right. Is his mind unclear as well?
Now you question my ability to think logically, which is funny, because I was l logic major in college and even taught it on the college lever. Please be more precise as to what was illogical about my post, and I will gladly respond. (To be honest, there were mostly assertions and very few arguements made, so I don't really see where logic is an issue).
You metion something about balance, and that I can agreee with you. My post was partisan, just like all of your posts and nearly all post about politics. It's called an opinion and is the right to have one is the backbone of this country.
And just for your understanding, here is an example of someone being illogical:
The war in Iraq blew away the last fragments of post-9/11 unity. Indeed, in its political effect, the war has functioned like a social issue such as abortion. It has divided the country most profoundly along cultural, not economic, lines — thus reinforcing and even intensifying the divisions evident in 2000.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-election31oct31,0,5670736.story?coll=la-home-headlines
I thought we were fighting a war on terror until the democrats used Iraq to sew divisiveness!
The quote clearly shows how going to war in Iraq itself, was what "blew away the last fragments of post- 9-11 unity". Only an illogicall, unbalanced, unclear brain could conclude what you did, that it's the Democrats fault. And as proof of that, most, if not all of the Democratic party supported the war, until Bush screwed it up by not having a plan to win the peace.
posted by
dogpark
on November 4, 2004 at 11:02 PM
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