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before the time of psyhcobabble such as yours, there was a man who said "I am the way, the TRUTH and the life", and unlike the simple minds of man, His mind doesn't alter, because He is the epitome of truth.
posted by
PastorB
on October 15, 2004 at 6:59 AM
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Truth?
Such an attitude religionists formulate within their narrow worlds! Your truth and mine are different when it comes to religion, and, "truth" be known, no one of us, no group of us, holds spiritual truth, for no one really knows, nor can anyone prove their mythology, faith, etc. to be "the truth."
"Truth is beauty, beauty truth; that is all one needs to know."
posted by
archiew
on October 15, 2004 at 4:20 AM
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as a side bar
I think that your motivation in continuing to use me as an example goes beyond just debating an issue. I truly get the impression that you have singled me out as your little 'project' to try and disprove or to just plain shut me up. However, I will never stop teaching and sharing the truth as I know it and that is the Biblical truth. You can 'kill' my physical being, but my Spirit will never die, and even when I am on my last breath, I will still be proclaiming the word of God. The only people who have to be fearful of Christianity are those who are listening to the father of lies.
posted by
PastorB
on October 14, 2004 at 10:01 PM
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To correct you,
most of the Founding Fathers were Deist's.
For the life of me, I can't figure out why Christianity frightens you so? I'm serious, have you been harmed or hurt in some way by a Christian? Is it the entire population of Christians you hate or just a limited number? How can you fight so strongly about something you don't take the time to understand? That is what fear is my friend; when we don't understand something or someone, we fear it/them.
posted by
PastorB
on October 14, 2004 at 9:55 PM
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back to steelerman
anyone is free to state their beliefs. I believe in that.
I believe that the United States of America is founded on the freedom to believe, to worship and to express belief.
However, religion is church is separate from government.
government by its nature should not allow religion to dominate and dictate policy.
Once this is done, independent government can cease and religious freedom can be abridged.
What I see is that many relgious conservatives' aims directly contradict and counter the spirit of religious freedom that has made this country great.
We would not have the expression we have had our founding fathers decided in favor of any particular religion, for we could have a state religion that excludes all others.
At that time, the predominant religion was Anglicanism, in the form of the Episcopal Church.
Had our founding fathers decided on a State Religion, I would surmise that that would have been it.
Then we would not have had the immigration we had -- for many of the immigrants were of other religions, particulary Catholic -- and I probably wouldn't have been born here -- I would have been born in Ireland, and Kooka would have been an Irish Catholic.
And if we move in the direction of a State Religion -- I would advocate the Episcopal Church -- then you would have to convert.
(tongue in cheek)
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 14, 2004 at 7:32 AM
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This is very hard for me to understand. What could possibly be gained from going back to the Dark Ages? Why do people need religion to know how to be moral and decent? There is no connection between the two. In fact, the opposite seems to be the case.
posted by
Witty_Woman
on October 14, 2004 at 6:47 AM
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an AK 47 would come in handy
actually to Steelerman -- If our government becomes "Christian-dominated", if I were a violent person -- I would be the first to lead a revolution.
But I'm not a violent person. I'll just go somewhere else and see how little I can do in support of such a government that betrays American Values.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 14, 2004 at 6:07 AM
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and BTW
I painstakenly wrote out my agenda in my blog "GoingMental" earlier today :)
posted by
PastorB
on October 13, 2004 at 9:16 PM
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steelerman
thank you!
posted by
PastorB
on October 13, 2004 at 9:13 PM
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Are You...
declaring war against Christians? Are you physically threatening far right Christians like me? I feel such a threat, even though you say 'tongue in cheek', should be watched closely by the BLOGIT management.
HMMM a threat against Christians. Sounds exactly the same as Middle East terrorist!
I have noticed that unicorn has stated her beliefs. It is automatically pounced on as some sort of sweeping dangerous agenda that is taking over the nation. How dare someone speak the word of God, why that would take away all of our rights and should be viewed as war. The truth is that she is stating her beliefs which obviously strikes a nerve with some of you. You have the choice to follow God or not or follow whatever version your God is. Tell us, as unicorn did, what your God believes in. The Constitution states freedom of religion not the elimination of religion. You are tolerant to homosexuals but not unicorn and her beliefs. Interesting. Since you seem to hold the Constitution so highly, search it and find what it says about treason and you will see that your choice, Kerry, should not even be able to run for President.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on October 13, 2004 at 9:02 PM
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| West I appreciate this blog. It does describe religion but not a Christian's behavior. Please read my blog #35 in Religion I'M TALKING ABOUT GOD~~~JUSTSOUNO Give me a fair opportunity to rebut what you have said. Much of what you said happened and is true, much has changed too. Thanks, Justsouno |
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posted by
Justi
on October 13, 2004 at 4:22 PM
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west
I posted in my blog about that, I think it might help explain more.
posted by
PastorB
on October 13, 2004 at 3:11 PM
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westwend--verrrry ummm... political/non-political??? interesting non-the-
less!!!
posted by
Kelli
on October 13, 2004 at 2:39 PM
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unicorn
you need to elaborate more on government regulating your ministry
I don't understand
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 13, 2004 at 2:28 PM
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unicorn
you need to elaborate more on government regulating your ministry
I don't understand
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 13, 2004 at 2:28 PM
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The government should only exist to protect our freedoms, including freedom of or from religion.
posted by
aardvark
on October 13, 2004 at 1:25 PM
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as a matter of curiosity
your title "Where Religion Doesn't Belong-Government" is rather short sighted. It makes me wonder than why it is that Government thinks then that it has the right to interfer with Relgion? For example the removing of the 10 Commandments or taking the Pledge out of schools and other public places. As well as government trying to regulate "religious" based non-profit ministries (like mine), demanding that they acquire a 501c3, which would in turn make that ministry a creature of the state. I look forward to your answer.
PastorB
posted by
PastorB
on October 13, 2004 at 12:55 PM
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west
First, Thank you so much for the great compliment; "front line crusader", I appreciate that. Second, I'm sorry that you are so fearful of having a Nation that originated based on moral and Biblical principals be returned to that state of being. Thirdly, I am certainly glad that you don't consider me to be the kind of Christian that you are accustomed to-I wouldn't even want to be in the same category of some of these 'so called Christians' today. You can read my post in "Footprints.com" for clarification on that.
PastorB
posted by
PastorB
on October 13, 2004 at 9:30 AM
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I know where you're going with it, and I agree.
posted by
roofpig
on October 13, 2004 at 7:34 AM
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well -- i got mad
and scared
reading what they advocate.
I really believe they are not mainstream
however, such a brand of Christians has taken over school boards and attempted to shape them to their liking.
Their views have been carried by our President and judges and the House of Representatives -- attempts to control the government policies.
I really don't know -- it's hardly likely that this will happen -- but worse scenarios have seemed unlikely, yet have come to pass.
vigilance and opposition -- we've got to continually do what we can to prevent this happening.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 13, 2004 at 7:18 AM
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Hmm, that's a pretty generalized view of things... but I think it's a good rebuttal to the overly used generalized view of the gay marriage thing that goes like this: If we allow gay marriages, then the next thing people will be marrying relatives and animals. I like the counter that say, "If we allow gay marriages NOT to happen, soon this will be theocracy.
Turnabout's fair play I guess.
posted by
roofpig
on October 13, 2004 at 7:00 AM
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