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GM

I'll anxiously wait for your next post after I've read this one, where you say you'll bring some excellent examples from the book you are reading. I think our writing has a common objective but it's good to veer off in different directions which gives multiple perspectives in the understanding of the subject.

 

posted by anib on November 27, 2018 at 10:01 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Anib to GM

The universe does, indeed, go into disappearance. My research all these days led me into an exciting discovery which, I'm shortly going to share with you all. What I find agreeable about Arten and Pursah's argument is that if the universe disappears the individuals too cannot exist. Otherwise, where do they get any firm ground to exist?They too, disappear. This aspect also I'll deal in my write-up. You may objectively calculate how many times in this cycle of creation has the univesrse appeared and disappeared. I'm not a blind votary of the Hindu cosmology, but I find very logical and that which is in concord with modern science at places, and goes much beyond. I hope you'll enjoy the discussion. I fully agree with the dangers of the Oneness Theory which you've brought up in your blog. Mine Oneness is somewhat different - not Oneness with others, not even in general but Oneness with oneself - the technique as to how the lower self of an indvidual's (which take man into becoming predators) can be made to merge with the Supreme soul, and once that happens, man undergoes a radical change, he becomes free from all waves of negative passions to being compassionate for fellow human beings, and including all life forms. That way the balance could tilt in favour of what we are trying to achieve. Cheers, dear friend

posted by anib on November 27, 2018 at 9:55 PM | link to this | reply

Anib

I am glad that you agree with me, that Arten is wrong about the universe not really existing, and us as individuals not existing.  His is an absurd extreme of Oneness doctrine.  But you are, understandably, supporting the Hindu concept of Oneness, which is much more palatable to me, although I do not give it any validity in my own thinking. 

Regardless of any degree of Oneness that may be the case,  I think that it distracts us and diverts us from what we need to be doing in our daily lives.  It distracts us and diverts us from gaining other knowledge and skills, it diverts us from proper considerations of justice.  My next post will be an excellent example of this, from the book in question.

Even if you are right, that the idea of Oneness is like a milestone that tells us that Delhi is 50 miles away, and that is our destination, then we must immediately put our attention back to every step that we are taking, lest we step in a hole and break our leg.  Also, we must constantly scan our immediate surroundings and be wary, lest we be surprised by bandits and murderers, who would gleefully take our possessions and our life.    

The stupidity of Arten and Pursah is not a crime, but I think they are guilty of far more than stupidity.  I think they are purposely diverting us from a path that would make us far more capable and safe in this world.  They are purposely making us weaker,  to make us easier prey for some form of usury or predation. 

posted by GoldenMean on November 26, 2018 at 6:36 AM | link to this | reply

GM

Sound and sound waves example/argument I came across earlier too. This is simply illogical logic or call it logic-chopping. You'll reach nowhere in the end. The point Pursah advances is to make us believe the unreality of all existences, in which case, she enjoys a won-win situation. Interesting though!

posted by anib on November 24, 2018 at 10:24 PM | link to this | reply

GM

Sound and sound waves example/argument I came across earlier too. This is simply illogical logic or call it logic-chopping. You'll reach nowhere in the end. The point Pursah advances is to make us believe the unreality of all existences, in which case, she enjoys a won-win situation. Interesting though!

posted by anib on November 24, 2018 at 10:17 PM | link to this | reply

I, GM, for one, am at complete disagreement with Arten. As you rightly point out, if we were to follow Arten and Pursah it'd be like a trap we'd willingly fall and get entangled, and from where there can be no going back. I also cannot agree that there is no individual existence or individual soul, but Arten is right about the source being One. All individual existences are real and are like pools of water the reflect the moon, it can be seen as real but isn't; but the fact that it points to the real, is like a milestone that dorects one the Delhi is 50 miles and you are travelling right. There are detailed viewpoints that can cut this stupid logic, but then is stupidity any crime?Cheers. Good  Write!

 

posted by anib on November 24, 2018 at 10:01 PM | link to this | reply

Happy Thanksgiving.....

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posted by Corbin_Dallas on November 22, 2018 at 4:16 AM | link to this | reply

Just saying Hi. Will come back later.

posted by RPresta on November 21, 2018 at 11:15 PM | link to this | reply

See my poem for today 'Nothing to Say'

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