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Re: Re: Kabu,
For me it is still conditioning for I personally have had to smash so many jars full of, you call filters, I say conditioning...and I think that some of those ideals or knowledge is handed to us from our forebears in our DNA. No wonder then that someone like me is such a damned embarrassment to family and once were friends. I broke too many rules and gleefully go on breaking them. I knock down walls and walk different paths to the mold of my peers.
posted by
Kabu
on February 22, 2015 at 1:18 PM
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Re: Krisles,
That's another very useful way to talk about the same phenomenon, multiplied by any number of lenses.
We all have to decide for ourselves what beliefs we will run our lives with. We can see for ourselves when we are uncomfortably limited, and choose what to do about it. If someone else is deciding for other people, then they are themselves giving that people filters that may not be right at all for them.
As I have worked with people who are stuck with limiting beliefs, it just about always turns out to be someone else's truth that they, at some point, accepted.
posted by
Ciel
on January 30, 2015 at 3:09 PM
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Re: Annicita,
This is an interesting topic, but I am not sure how it applies to what I wrote about.
posted by
Ciel
on January 30, 2015 at 3:04 PM
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As a historical anthropologist I can tell you that this is something that even the up and coming generation is having trouble with. Possibly with the generation that is in their teens and younger. Why do I say that? Because this generation is learning more and contributing more at an earlier age than ever before!
They are learning from our mistakes. Their parents are also instilling in them better values (well some are any ways). An example of this is bullying. Parents are speaking out, celebrities are speaking out. It's no longer acceptable. It's no longer kids will be kids. My daughter in law was called to the school. Apparently someone was picking on another child. My granddaughter pushed him down. Her mom asked her why she did it. She did it because he shouldn't be picking on someone. She took a risk and stepped in to help someone not fearing the consequences of that boy getting up and taking a swing at her.
Teens are making a difference socially, medically and enviromentally. A panel of them met in Los Angeles to discuss what they have done.
http://www.voanews.com/content/teenagers-live-extraordinary-lives-to-make-a-difference/1909061.html
This teenager developed way to rid ocean of all the plastic:
http://inhabitat.com/19-year-old-student-develops-ocean-cleanup-array-that-could-remove-7250000-tons-of-plastic-from-the-worlds-oceans/
This is a link about other teens making a difference
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102050994#
posted by
Annicita
on January 30, 2015 at 6:42 AM
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Thoughtful post....I think of paradigms myself and speak of these often with my granddaughters....I talk of this as a pair of glasses we wear with lenses containing a prescription that is uniquely our own, developed by many things - known and unknown, nature, nurture, peers, family, religion, education, traumatic events, whatever - it develops and sets that lens prescription and we view everything in the world through that lens.........it's why no two people see the same thing the same way....different lens prescriptions.
My question about these discussions on how people need to examine and turn loose of this conditioning or belief or whatever one wants to call it is this....who gets to decide which is the right path? Who knows when something is "limiting"...who chooses what is "right"? It is the endless search until one feels a sense of peace and rightness within.....that great "gestalt".........sorry, I get waaaaay to wordy but this is a fascinating topic to me.
posted by
Krisles
on January 29, 2015 at 9:33 AM
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Re: FormerStudentIntern, thanks!
I hope these are useful ideas.
posted by
Ciel
on January 26, 2015 at 7:33 PM
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Re: Kabu,
I had to give this some thought before answering.
Conditioning certainly contributes to our filters: our expectations are the filter and some of our expectations are the result of conditioning, familiarization, habit... all related stuff. But there are others, too. I mention beliefs and belief systems--the things we believe to be true about the world, about other people, about... everything. Beliefs come from many places besided conditioning.
At least, that's speaking from how I define conditioning. We may not actually be on the same page there.
The filters I am talking about are in the subconscious, until we haul them out into the light of consciousness and take a good look at them.
posted by
Ciel
on January 26, 2015 at 7:32 PM
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You do a great job explaining our filters.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on January 26, 2015 at 6:18 PM
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quite the post dear one. Quite the post and I am sitting here and thinking about well you say filters I perhaps am thinking of conditioning for I know I think certain things, hold onto some beliefs have prejudices that go way back ...I do know though if I tell myself everyday that a man named Jesus came to give us one real message...that of love Love ourselves and each other then everything else falls into place for me. Or it should. LOL
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Kabu
on January 26, 2015 at 3:06 PM
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Re: Gheeghee,
posted by
Ciel
on January 26, 2015 at 1:01 PM
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Gheeghee
on January 26, 2015 at 12:53 PM
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