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TAPS. - that is an honest answer
. . and part of the basis for my suggesting it may take 20-30 years before it is a reality. The prejudices you describe have been ingrained into all of us, it may take another generation before they have disappeared.
posted by
gomedome
on March 16, 2012 at 12:32 PM
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Probably not. If after 75 years I still have prejudices, they are probably so ingrained I don't even recognize them as prejudices.
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TAPS.
on March 16, 2012 at 6:26 AM
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WileyJohn - I am with you 100% on that
We simply cannot have multi-culturalism without clear separation of church and state. The only place where I wish they would bend the rules is in the schools that no longer sing our national anthem, either that or re-write the damn song.
posted by
gomedome
on March 15, 2012 at 4:38 PM
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Kabu - Re: I honestly don't think that I can answer this. I
You should be commended for a honest answer. I tend to think that eventually this country will go through another version of Trudeau-mania (Wiley can tell you about those years) where the right candidate comes along and tunes into the grass roots emotions of a populace fed up with servings of the same old stuff.
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gomedome
on March 15, 2012 at 4:34 PM
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Xeno-x - Re: i would vote for the best person
My guess would be at least a couple of decades. I don't hold out the same hope that the current brand of conservatism will dissipate from being trounced in the upcoming election. I tend to think that eventually people will collectively say enough to the entire facade.
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gomedome
on March 15, 2012 at 4:29 PM
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Katray2 - Re: Very thought provoking, Gomedome...
" . . . the wounds of 9-11" are and will continue to be a reality. I would guess that the day where a candidate were to profess Muslim beliefs and have a chance of being elected to national public office, would have to be at least a full generation removed from 9-11. Other faiths maybe sooner.
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gomedome
on March 15, 2012 at 4:23 PM
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Gomedome
I don't know that I'm prejudiced but I do want laws written to reflect that any politician will practice his faith any way he likes but it has to be kept out of government. There must be some way that atheists,humanists agnostics and so on, could help to write a secular constitution that doesn't state that a God runs the country. Like to me the god of my understanding doesn't want anything to do with flags and running countries, to me that god message is simply mine, and has nothing to do with other people even, but my government must operate without religion. In any case Canada's constitution doesn't make a big deal out of the use of God's name right? We are different from America that way.
posted by
WileyJohn
on March 15, 2012 at 11:47 AM
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I honestly don't think that I can answer this. I really want to say Oh
of course,the best person for the job, and leave myself feeling all warm and fuzzy afuzzy little blogit
but seriously I doubt it. I don't want to be prejudiced or racist. I want to give every one the benefit of believing in them unless they have shown themselves unworthy, I am just not sure. And there isn't anywhere really reliable to get the truth either. Thought provoking post my friend.
posted by
Kabu
on March 15, 2012 at 9:58 AM
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i would vote for the best person
no matter religion color etc.
and as to your question of how long?
in the U.S. -- as long as conservative Christianity has such a powerful grip on the culture -- never
however, if conservatism can be soundly defeated and become history in these United States of America, as I thinnk might just happen this election year with them spouting their radical views for all the world to see and hear, then I would predict a positive answer to your question in the next 10 - 20 years.
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Xeno-x
on March 15, 2012 at 9:36 AM
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And to add, I would vote for a Muslim if their solutions to our problems
made sense to me! But I'm kind of the odd woman out in some ways in my circle and through my communication efforts. I probably would be a bit lonely if I lived in the deep south...:)
posted by
Katray2
on March 15, 2012 at 7:19 AM
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Very thought provoking, Gomedome...
Yes, Obama broke through as far as race, but the "He is not a Muslim!" declarations, while true, are spoken very strongly even by liberals and progressives. I think there is more than simply wishing to emphasize the truth of his religion in these statements; it is also "Thank God he is not a Muslim!" I've seen maybe two brave media souls counter such with "So what if he does practice Islam? Are we not enlightened enough to accept that?" Sadly, I don't feel the majority of people here are. And maybe that is owing to the wounds of 9-11?
Anyway, while I understand the desire to know everything possible about a candidate; what makes them tick; I am really uneasy about how powerful an issue the religion those we vote for has become. Like Bill Maher has stated, it is impossible to imagine the day when an avowed atheist could run just on the issues and their proposed solutions, which is what elections are meant to address; not the "my God is better than the other person's God!" chest beating we are inundated with. The religion thing is reportedly why Romney can't sew up the nomination, though I hope it is more about his troubles with honesty on certain issues.
posted by
Katray2
on March 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM
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