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Wil
It was my uncle, not my father. But at least you got the basic point. Whatever level of heath care he was able to get through the system just was not about to run tests on him and I very much feel it was becasue of an attitude that since he was not able to afford good health care he was not as valuable as those who can. Once he got good health care and was viewed as valuable, it took no time at all to find the problem he had been having for several year and see that it was cancer. So something that was very obvious when he had good health care was not as obvious when he was taking what was available... From what he was told it should have been obvious as to what the cause was fairly early on. So I very much feel that there is a value being place on our people who are for whatever reason unable to afford good health care and that our country is not doing its job to take care of them.
Now back to our water comparison again.
But the 'genetic defects' is only speculation. There is no proof of this. All the research actually shows that thsi should not happen. The statics that are out there actually show that just the opposite will happen. And the group that is pormoting the 'genetic defects' concept is more interested in gaining control of the water than or promoting facts about the water itself. In fact that group has made a numerous amounts of claims that are fully unture about how the water distribution would work, just to confuse the people, many of which will actually benefit greatly by getting this water. So how many need to suffer without water for how long before we have to start taking chances to help them? If we play it safe and believe what one group is claiming, even thought there is nothing to base those claims on, countless people will suffer. While if we take the plunge and take the chance, then there is hope and is we monitor the system and be ready to fix any problems that come along, there will be no 'genetic defects' to cause any harm.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 24, 2010 at 12:50 PM
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Kooka
I am sorry for and to hear of your loss. My father passed away some yours ago from cancer as well. Though I humbly submit and agree with you that your father may still be alive if health care cost were not so high, if there was plan setup for those who don’t have health insurance (Expand medicare maybe?), and if the government had not raided our Social Security accounts.
You also infer as though this country has not taken care of its people though I think you meant better care of its people. Sorry, I digress. Now to allow countless people to get sick means either one of two things your intent was on purpose or by accident. Either way it boils to greed to me. Moving on, lets say for instance in our rush into putting an imperfect plan together this so called clean water now becomes contaminated water due in part to or because of the purification process, distribution method, or by someone with devious intentions. This contamination however doesn’t effect those who ingest the water, but results in genetic defects in their offspring. Ending in extermination of a race or a people.
posted by
WilStevens
on March 24, 2010 at 12:36 PM
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Wil
No offensive was taken. I saw no sign of any ill will in your comment.
And I very much agree that both sides have in general been every ineffective in doing what is right. Although I very much feel that he health care reform was the right thing and that is showed just where their priorities were for the Republicans to be so against it and to have spread a huge batch of lies to get the public against it as well. In this case there is no doubt in my mind that the Republicans in general did the wrong the thing and were going against what was clearly best for the country.
Now back to the water comparison. Would you think it right to have an on going debate for decades as to how best to get clean water to everyone, while allowing countless people to get sick from dirty water or die from no water? Would it not be better to get an imperfect plan going to start getting clean water to everyone and just fix the plan as you go and the bigger problems with it become clear? Or is it better to just keep letting people suffer until, how ever unlikely, there is a plan put together that no one can find fault with right away, even if it take a century or so? And what would the chances of the plan we wait on being perfect and working with no flaws? You can't know such things until the plan is put into actions,no matter how much effort was put into the plan.
My uncle died of cancer about six years ago. If they would have caught it early on, it would have been treatable. At the time the cancer started he had no health care and the doctors in the free clinics kept prescribing him antibiotics for his breathing problems. Once he got a job and got health care, they ran test and found out he had cancer and it had spread to his brain. It was now too late to do anything about it. If we had any form of universal health care at that time, there is a really good chance he would be alive now. But he had no health care and so his health and well being were unimportant to our system. So now my cousin is growing up without a father.
It is way past time for this country to at least put something out there and start trying to take care of its people. We've waited too long and the politicians have been playing too many games. Like it or hate it, the Health Care reform is the first major step in doing what is right and what is best for this country. Changes will need to be made as the bill takes effect and we are able to see first hand just what all of it will do. But it is better to have something out there than to keep things going as they have been.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 24, 2010 at 12:11 PM
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Water
First and foremost let me apologize if I had offended you with my words. It was truly not the intent and is somewhat of a bad habit of mine.
Your words however true and valid just left me with a sense of blame towards one group of political affiliation. The ills of this country, dare I say the worlds are not one particular or another. It has more so to do, in my opinion, with the wills of man.
The burger thing was an attempt at a humorous analogy. I guess it failed, however I did enjoy hearing you so you prefer a Big Mac.
As for the rest or your comments in regards to water. It is not the question of do we give them water.
Would you not agree it is a more a matter of how we go about distributing the water to those in need and not to those how already have enough and willing to share it?
posted by
WilStevens
on March 24, 2010 at 10:55 AM
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Wil
I judge people first and foremost on who they are and how they express themselves before I apply any labels to them. So far here on Blogit those who have expressed the most hatred and anger towards opposing ideas, who have made all manner of personal attacks against my character just becasue of my ideas, who have gone and spread lies and propaganda in order to defend their idea, have been conservative fundamentalists who are also republicans. So while I do not judge people based on such labels, I have seen a very clear pattern in the character and integrity of people who those labels apply to.
The post however has nothing to do with labels and everything to do with what just happened. It was the republicans who voted fully along party lines, ignoring what was best for our country.
As for you Health Care/Fast Food burger comparison, that was way off (Although now you have me thinking about how good a Big Mac would taste). You don't need burger to survive and have a better life. It would be more like sayign most Americans have access to good, clean water. Do we need to help the smaller percent who are stuck with dirty, diseased water or no water at all get better access to better water? The constitution does not say people should have clean water, but common sense and general human decency says we should help everyone get as clean of water as possible so they can be healthy and live longer and end up being a more productive aspect of our society. Would you consider water to be something that only those who can afford clean water should have? Why is health care viewed that way then? In essence it is just as important to living a healthy, long, productive life as clean water is.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM
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Politics
Who's version or should I say by who's definition?
–noun(used with a singular or plural verb
) 1. the science or art of political government.
2. the practice or profession of conducting political affairs.
3. political affairs: The advocated reforms have become embroiled in politics.
4. political methods or maneuvers: We could not approve of his politics in winning passage of the bill.
5. political principles or opinions: We avoided discussion of religion and politics. His politics are his own affair.
6. use of intrigue or strategy in obtaining any position of power or control, as in business, university, etc.
7. (initial capital letter, italics) a treatise (4th century b.c.) by Aristotle, dealing with the structure, organization, and administration of the state, esp. the city-state as known in ancient Greece.
—Idiom 8. play politics, a. to engage in political intrigue, take advantage of a political situation or issue, resort to partisan politics, etc.; exploit a political system or political relationships.
b. to deal with people in an opportunistic, manipulative, or devious way, as for job advancement.
posted by
WilStevens
on March 24, 2010 at 9:47 AM
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that's politics, son
posted by
Xeno-x
on March 24, 2010 at 9:36 AM
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Character
There is propaganda on both sides. In regards to being perfect, no this new health bill is far from perfect. Not that I am saying the current one is but the case majority of Americans had health insurance prior to this bill of which I call subjugation . It’s like if the majority of use enjoyed Whopper and being told we can only have a Big Mac.
May I suggest you let go of your disdain for Republicans and judge a man based on the character of his heart rather than his political affiliations.
posted by
WilStevens
on March 24, 2010 at 9:31 AM
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