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 2008 was our record setter, this per the link RSM provided.  There was no "cleaning my clock" here.  The numbers for several years were way above normal.

Except for the asterisked numbers, the figures are verified tornadoes.  2008 set a record for this.   In a graph on another page, linear progression is shown, trending upward from 1954 through 2007.  A disclaimer is included that cites such matters as improved techniques where more tornadoes are verified and many might have missed in the past, mainly.  Another graph shows that 2008's verified tornadoes were way above the several preceding years', and higher than the average.

 

 

                                   TORNADO DEATHS  TORNADOES       ..2010.. 2009 2008 2007  3YR             3YR             3YR      PREL  ACT  ACT  ACT  ACT   AV  10 09 08 07 AV  10 09 08 07 AV  JAN   41   -     6   84   21   37   0  0  7  2  3   0  0  4  1  2  FEB    0   -    36  147   52   78   0  9 59 22 30   0  2 12  3  6  MAR    -   -   115  129  170  138  -   0  4 27 10  -   0  3  10 4  APR    -   -   226  189  167  194  -   6  0  9  5  -   3  0  3  2  MAY    -   -   201  461  252  305  -   5 44 14 21  -   3 10  4  6  JUN    -   -   270  294  128  231  -   0  7  0  2  -   0  4  0  1  JUL    -   -   118   93   69   93  -   0  1  0  0  -   0  1  0  0  AUG    -   -    60  101   75   79  -   0  0  1  0  -   0  0  1  0  SEP    -   -     8  111   52   57  -   0  2  0  1  -   0  1  0  0  OCT    -   -    64   21   86   57  -   1  0  5  2  -   1  0  3  1  NOV    -   -    2*   15    7    8  -   0  2  0  1  -   0  2  0  1  DEC    -   -   52*   46   19   39  -   0  0  1  0  -   0  0  1  0      ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----  --  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  SUM   41   - 1158* 1691 1098 1316   0 21 126 81 76  0  9 37 26 24  

posted by Xeno-x on February 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM | link to this | reply

Re: What matters to me? Truth, and scientific and scholastic integrity.

lol

yu din't come near to "cleaning my clock" on tornadoes.  After your initial post, I researched, and I posted time after time the graphsc showing WITHOUT A DOUBT that the year in question was a redord breaker, and that the several years previous also had more tornadoes than the previous average.

You fail to see the connection between hurricane and tornado activity and Global Warming.  Let's go over this again -- when Global Warming was first introduced to the world some 20+ years ago, predicted results included increased tornado and hurricane activity  And the predictions came true.

And let's revisit precipitation and the effects on growing crops in the Midwest and elsewhere.  Right now is not the issue I brought up.  Last growing season was.  The Spring was so wet that farmers didn't get their crops in as early as they should have in order to have maximum harvests.  Then the subsequent months were so wet, they were late getting it all harvested, with the real danger of crops rotting in the fields.  I don't know how much success the farmers had -- that has to be researched -- but it was close.

And, again -- asll I have to do is check the data from NASA and NOAA.  That so far says Global Warming.

posted by Xeno-x on February 20, 2010 at 4:48 AM | link to this | reply

What matters to me? Truth, and scientific and scholastic integrity.

Just some quick hits:

Records: Going back how far? Generally, 120 or so years. Does it occur to you that perhaps what has been observed in that miniscule amount of time isn’t typical of the whole of centuries? That what we think of as normal merely because we’ve observed it firsthand isn’t the norm for the broader span of time?

(By the way, farmers here don’t get their crops in this early. It’s called winter. I suspect it’s so out your way as well, let alone farther north.)

Flows on the Colorado have been erratic as far back as is known – little or nothing to horrific floods such as what formed the Salton Sea.

Droughts – was “global warming” responsible for our most notorious drought, the Dust Bowl?

Hurricanes – on what planet are those record storms occurring? That prolific season you cite was actually the year of Katrina. And my citing mild hurricane seasons is precisely the argument at hand, which is to refute with hard evidence the false predictions that Al Gore and others made about hurricanes. The GORE’s exact words from September 9, 2005, after Katrina: “the average hurricane will continue to get stronger because of global warming.” He was completely wrong, because every hurricane season since has disproved him. The first season after his prediction, 2006, was especially weak. And of course stronger seasons are coming – it is cyclical. 

Tornadoes – do you really want to go there again, after the way I cleaned your clock concerning claims that the one recent severe season, 2008, was due to “global warming”? See http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/WriterofLight9282/543479 for that trip down memory lane.

Wildfires – I get that from having lived in California most of my life. First-hand experience with both the environmental movement that would rather save rats than have hospitals built and that jailed farmers for plowing their fields, and with studying forest fire history and behavior. Somewhere along the line, it became less acceptable than it had been to clear brush and log dead trees. You are right about fire suppression, but underbrush and dead trees occur in many forests, dead trees especially in event of insect infestation or previous fire.

Blizzards of the past: That tells me that the climate is changing. Just as it changed over decades leading into the years of big snows. See my earlier remark about records and norms.

Food and the human condition: How are food production and the human condition being improved by the shackles that the “global warmers” want to throw on the American economy? And it most definitely is about politics, because at its core “global warming” is a profoundly political agenda aimed at massively increasing government power at the expense of liberty and prosperity.

What is important to me, again, is truth. It is knowing that my grandsons receive an honest education and that they will have the freedoms and prosperity that I have known. The “global warmers” wish them neither – only subservience. .

 

By the way: If you want facts, here’s a whole boatload of them: http://www.junkscience.com/.

 

posted by WriterofLight on February 19, 2010 at 8:22 PM | link to this | reply

Re: So who's laughing at whom? -- you left something out writeroflight

posted by Xeno-x on February 18, 2010 at 5:43 AM | link to this | reply

Re: So who's laughing at whom?

Let's see what we have - - -

record precipitation in the midwest -- farmers unable to put in their crops in a timely fashion  -- or to harvest them once they've got them in -- basically the weather so wet it makes farming quite difficult --

SE Texas drought -- 20% of our beef comes from there -- California drought -- about 40% of our produce comes from there -- drought in Australia --lower water levels on the Colorado River and reservoirs it feeds, threatening the water supplies to Denver, Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Los Angeles, among others -- impatcting tens of millions of people.

The issue here is vital resources -- food -- water.

about hurricanes, we've had several years of record breaking incidence of hurricanes -- one year when there were so many they had to benumbered because the names had been used up -- and of course the year of Katrina, which was quite a bad year.  To cite some years with fewer hurricanes does not support your argument -- it doesn't mean that more severe seasons aren't coming.  Besides, hurricanes are wether energy -- so that energy could be diverted to the increased rainfall.

And tornadoes -- I have shown graphs that show that several years in a row were record tornado producing years.  A lullin that doesn't mean it won't pick up again.

Wildfires -- from dry conditions -- from trees and underbrush not getting enough water.

and about the political correctness of not clearing brush and deadwood -- where do you get that?  This occurred under both conservative and liberal administrations -- it was thought the thing to do.  And it costs money -- so that imbalances budgets or taxes have to be raised to support the effort.  Besides -- how many acres of underbrush, etc. are there?  Also, extinguishing wildfires through the years allowed the underbrush to grow when nature would have burned it out and kept larger fires from occurring.  But the main issue is dryness.

and the blizzard of 1978?  I would like to harken back to some pretty big nows we have had in Misouri up til the early 80's -- I haven't seen a snow recently anywhere near as big as the ones I rememberin the 50's 60's 70's and 80's.  What does that tellyou?

If it were just an issue of politics -- I'd say BIG DEAL -- there's no real use in  arguing the issue.  But it's an issue of the health of the planet and, in the case of food sources, the human condition.  Whether or not we have enough food in the future is very important.

I guess I have to wonder what is important to you?  Is it so important to think that Global Warming is nonsense that you would risk the welfare of you, your children and your grandchildren, for this is impacting right now?

posted by Xeno-x on February 18, 2010 at 5:37 AM | link to this | reply

So who's laughing at whom?

I for one laughed myself silly at this vivid demonstration of the incoherence, confusion, contradiction and general chaos into which the Cult of “Global Warming” has descended. Some examples:

 

The quote on the linked page says that “global warming” causes increased precipitation. But down your own page a little ways you ostentatiously point out drought as evidence of “global warming.”  ???  ?? Which is it? 

Another quote on that linked page reads as follows: “Weather in one region over days or months should not be confused with climate or the patterns of weather over decades and centuries.” Yet you yourself hilariously and hysterically claimed that a brief abnormally warm stretch in your hometown of St. Louis last March was proof of “global warming” (see http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/WriterofLight9282/602085).

And, now that you “global warmers” are claiming that two severe snowstorms in one winter in one locale are proof of “global warming”(despite the above correct assertion that short-term and local conditions are not accurate indicators of global or long-term trends), after a particularly mild winter (in terms of snow) a couple of years ago, you “global warmers” were claiming that the lack of snow in the same place was proof of “global warming.” Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who also claimed Hurricane Katrina was George W. Bush’s fault, was especially vocal, claiming that kids in Virginia wouldn’t even own sleds because there would be no more snow.

 

???  ??? 

 

Which is it? Is heavy snow proof of “global warming,” or is lack of snow in the same place proof? Or, is the proof whatever you choose to seize upon, regardless of the intellectual and scientific dishonesty involved?

 

For that matter: What do you “global warmers” make of the severe blizzard that immobilized most of Ohio in January 1978? Was that remarkable outpouring of cold air and high humidity – part of the second abnormally cold and snowy winter in Ohio in a row – due to “global warming”?  ‘Fraid not – you see, in those years it was still faddish to blame abnormal weather, like severe blizzards, on global cooling. Oops . . .   

 

Here’s something else from your link, something us rubes are supposed to accept as a fact simply because it’s proclaimed to be such: “Scientists tell us that climate change has already led to more extreme weather in the United States and we can expect stronger hurricanes, more wildfires, heatwaves and droughts, to name a few.”

 

Al Gore made that same prediction about hurricanes following Hurricane Katrina. Every hurricane season since has fallen far short of either his or the linked page’s prediction, and two seasons in the Atlantic were far milder than usual, both in terms of storm severity and number of storms. There wasn’t even a storm spinning backwards, such as he depicted on the cover of his new book.

 

As for wildfires, there’s more to it than warming – especially in the western US, where it was deemed politically incorrect to clear brush and deadwood from the forests, thus setting the stage for more fires of increased intensity, and where more and more homes have been built in the forests, inviting increased structural damage from fires without there necessarily having to be more fires or more severity in the fires.

 

Thanks again for illustrating exactly why the cult of “global warming” is collapsing. And, thanks for the good laughs.

posted by WriterofLight on February 17, 2010 at 8:36 PM | link to this | reply