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PoetRaye
You do have a way of expressing everything with a finesse. The path of enlightenment is only and only for the exceptionally brave, fraught as it is, as you say, with "discomfort, fear, the struggle for sameness, violence". Thank you ever so much.
posted by
anib
on January 30, 2010 at 8:52 PM
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Straightforward
Very wisely said, I'll have to remember it, negation of the negatives to understand the positive.
posted by
anib
on January 30, 2010 at 8:49 PM
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WileyJohn
You have a very pertinent question, Sir Wiley, and an intelligent query must always be argued, rather discussed (in my opinion). A life of deprivation right from the beginning of one's childhood affects his mentality to be violent towards others when he grows up. It gets so deeply rooted that it is difficult ever to imagine that it is not really his inside ready to explode at the slighest provocation. Hitler is one of the prime examples of violence personified. Family, culture, society, religions, and nations too, are key factors in the conditionings of violent attitudes. There are religions that do not allow a child to grow as an individual; he has to follow the violents tenets taught in their religion ... they say: either conform to or die. Then there is the concept of residual karma which we had not touched in the write up. The subject is vast and I wll deal some more on the subject, I think
. Thank you so much, Sir Wiley, I always love discussions. Kind poeple of your like are rare to find, and I am immensely lucky to have found you, Darson confirmrd this, didn't she?
posted by
anib
on January 30, 2010 at 8:47 PM
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shama
I am so happy to see you after such a long time. Everything must be okay, so I believe. I am perfectly with you that all religions do teach us the tenets of good acts, but great teachers belong to no religion and contribute great good throughout their lives as a practical example of living by what they would have others do, and so are a great source of inspiration, even if only a few are, it's a step forward. Another thing, such reachers insist on self-practice rather than on mass followings. Bilkul sahi kaha aapne "zubaan bhi talwar ka kaam karti hai".
posted by
anib
on January 30, 2010 at 8:28 PM
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shobana
Never ending-ways of making you feel good, but I don't really feel good now that you are no longer writing and I miss you as well. Some very important assignment at had that needs your constant focus must have arrived. Wish you all the very best and we must keep in touch
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posted by
anib
on January 30, 2010 at 8:20 PM
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: elysianfields
You say this so from the depth of your heart. There are techniques to still the mind, Mahaveera and Buddha were contemporaries, five hundred years before Christ, and both were of the highest spiritual order. Their teachings were in a very different language, no more in vogue now and therefore very deep study and learning is required to understand the message in the present day, but these are timeless in their truth. Thank you so very much Ely. You did tell me about Bhaskar earlier too and I tried to read his blog but there are none now, and I am so intrigued
~Aba
posted by
anib
on January 30, 2010 at 8:16 PM
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Deep and thought evocative..
"the moment I consider the other as the other, violence has been committed." Not sure I can explain how or why, but these words make perfect sense to me. Differences, uniqueness, the open spaces alongside the narrow road, etc. are parcels of the bigger universe and beckon us to enlightenment, but they also invite discomfort, fear, the struggle for sameness, violence.
posted by
Katray2
on January 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM
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Abanerjee
I have read your last post and now this post and you certainly raise some interesting thoughts. I cannot agree that all violence comes from outside of us.In my own life and opinion, violence resides in some humans and just waits to explode outwards. For instance if we take a child who abuses an animal like a cat, and he does that with malice aforethought, then the violence is within him is it not? This is not to argue with you,I just want to really un derstand all of this.
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WileyJohn
on January 28, 2010 at 4:59 PM
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Abanerjee
I have read your last post and now this post and you certainly raise some interesting thoughts. I cannot agree that all violence comes from outside of us.In my own life and opinion, violence resides in some humans and just waits to explode outwards. For instance if we take a child who abuses an animal like a cat, and he does that with malice aforethought, then the violence is within him is it not? This is not to argue with you,I just want to really un derstand all of this.
posted by
WileyJohn
on January 28, 2010 at 4:59 PM
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Yes, I guess the positive is best understood as a negation of the negative
posted by
Straightforward
on January 28, 2010 at 10:42 AM
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I understand the basic tenets of any religion preach non-violence,yet in today's world one finds so much violence....domestic violence,crude forms of ragging in institutions,harassment of women or ones unable to defend themselves,violent morchas & equally violent repression........zubaan bhi talwar ka kaam karti hai...........KYON? WHY?
posted by
shamasehar
on January 28, 2010 at 4:39 AM
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Abanerjee - Just thinking about violence is an act in itself..wonderful subject to broach. Thank you my friend for your never-ending ways to make me feel good..I'll leave but we can always be in contact. God bless you.
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shobana
on January 28, 2010 at 3:00 AM
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Aba, I so enjoy this study you're bringing. So much to learn from this, and again, we would need to start with a blank slate or develop one again? Truly it's a journey for most in this life (if they choose) to learn how to not hate, not react, not dislike, not do anything to harm another or life itself. Now, I pray to become this way and again, I must then reflect back on my past and of acts against me to either reconcile with and find any root of unforgiveness...so this can take a while (even as the older we get) because the more we've been assaulted by (and I mean that by, what life has dealt us or what has touched us within this life) --- the more we know the more we have to 're-learn' ~ back to a blank slate. This is just my opinion.
(*and I have to tell you, yes, you remind me of the former blogger Bhaskar --- are you related? He, as you, always brought such thoughtful lessons and essays for us ~ ) 
posted by
elysianfields
on January 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM
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sam
Love thine enemies, too, is very profound. It may outwardly appear impractical ... how can one love .. and that too, enemies? The deeper meaning is that I am so far gone in Love (either of God or my Self) that I am in total forgetfulness of my self, all that exists is God, no other, then one can't have any enimies too. The other, as we were discussing, does not exist save the pure godly power. Internal peace of mind is the ideal where no violence can disturb. Thank you so much sam.
posted by
anib
on January 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM
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I thought it interesting that thinking it is an act of violence, makes sense because the love for thy neighbor is lost! Very profound! Also, it is a Christian charge to love thine enemies! It makes a lot more sense in this perspective for the only way to stop violence is through love of thyself and neighbor no matter how remote the location! sam
posted by
sam444
on January 27, 2010 at 12:14 PM
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