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Such an unfortunate, and I don't feel I can really add anything else to what is being said.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on December 30, 2009 at 12:26 PM
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Such an unfortunate, and I don't feel I can really add anything else to what is being said.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on December 30, 2009 at 12:26 PM
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Re: I support your campaign to get this fine writer to stay on Blogit.
Hello Pat, thanks for joining the discussion.
posted by
elinjo
on December 30, 2009 at 10:39 AM
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Re: I have to agree totally wiht myrrhage:
I too reported the anti-semite in question who was given the choice of promising not to post further discriminatory information or leaving the site. That happened about six months ago, since then he has not reappeared, so presumably he decided not to make a promise.. He quoted some of the most disgustingly antisemtic sites on the net, so he overstepped all decent limits.
That is the only experience I've had about the process as such.
posted by
elinjo
on December 30, 2009 at 10:38 AM
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I support your campaign to get this fine writer to stay on Blogit.
It's very disturbing to see this kind of attack on a writer who's been consistently excellent and thoughtful. I hope Shelly changes her mind and stays with us.
posted by
Pat_B
on December 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re:
I like you, too! Thanks for not always agreeing with me. I speak my mind and try to live up to decent standards. I fail like anyone else but I try to get back up. Staying here is really getting back up. I don't want to offend anyone but I don't want to see people pushed around and that is what's at the heart of the matter here. There has been call for debate but it never works that way, so many have such trouble with an opposite viewpoint that it never gets off the ground. Like you, I have survived horrendous, untruthful blogs written about me and they are still out there! So it does lend itself to an aromatic stench of rotted meat. Time for a change, indeed! sam
posted by
sam444
on December 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM
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Sam, have I ever mentioned how much I like you? Of course you've made statements I've disagreed with, but for heaven's sake! You pay your Blogit dues just like the rest of us. If someone complains to Shaycom about you, the least they can do is give you the opportunity to defend yourself! They did it for you-know-who, so why not for our beloved Shelly as well? Unfair, I say! Unfair!
There really does need to be a better complaint resolution system, like you said, due process. Otherwise Shaycom gives off the impression of playing favorites, and there are those of us (myself included) who spend less and less time here in order to avoid rampant negativity. This subject has come up numerous times, but has yet to really be resolved.
posted by
myrrhage_
on December 30, 2009 at 9:36 AM
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I have to agree totally wiht myrrhage:
"The anti-semite, by contrast, was given several chances, but refused to cut it out. Why was Shelly not given that chance?
Again, where's the middle ground? How fair is the playing field really?"
I just simply am concerned over the bias here. I wonder now, who is truly in charge of deciding and mandating authority? is there a board of some such that reviews...I've never understood the process...and yes, I recall that whole ordeal myrrhage and how insistently that stayed over the site. Talk about inciting and fueling and trolling and what all and it lingered on for days - no, I don't understand because I do not see the justice here. It's not making me feel comfortable. I don't like to see oppression - in any form.
~ Elyse
posted by
elysianfields
on December 30, 2009 at 9:31 AM
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Azur said it best. I state my mind and it not always the easiest place to stand. If anything comes of this it should include due process for complaints regarding a particular post(s). Always, one should have the option of removal first. I obviously ruffled feathers and no one is free of blame; so I take my Blogit spanking and grow from there! sam
posted by
sam444
on December 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM
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Shelly, I am so glad to know you haven't lost privileges, but I remain astounded that you were singled out with so little opportunity to defend yourself! That you were singled out at all is, again, mystifying. Wow.
posted by
myrrhage_
on December 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM
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Re: Re: Re: giving Shelly that chance.
elinjo, there's always hope, but I can only hold my breath for so long.
posted by
myrrhage_
on December 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM
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Hi Elinjo, thank you for this post! I just wanted to clarify that Blogit asked me to address the folks privately that these two poems caused a stir over. And to review the conduct policy! I did not lose any privileges. I have done as they requested and I have no one to speak for I do not issue with people! I have issues with some of the things that have been said but as in 'debate' I should have that right! The issue for me remains, censorship without any type of defense; just gone! Too harsh! I would gladly remove anything I have posted if it is offensive; I just want the opportunity! Now keep away from the noise, lol! Shelly
posted by
sam444
on December 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM
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Re: Re: giving Shelly that chance.
Good point. I hope that Shaycom are asking themselves the same question today!
posted by
elinjo
on December 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM
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It seems Shelly was indeed not given the chance, which only makes the arbitrariness more obvious. The anti-semite, by contrast, was given several chances, but refused to cut it out. Why was Shelly not given that chance?
Again, where's the middle ground? How fair is the playing field really?
posted by
myrrhage_
on December 30, 2009 at 8:55 AM
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Re: Lustorlove
Have you experienced this Lustorlove, or is it hearsay?
posted by
elinjo
on December 30, 2009 at 8:53 AM
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once someone complains that takes away the rights, they always take the person who complains side and dont give the person being charged a chance, not a way to run business
posted by
Lanetay
on December 30, 2009 at 8:47 AM
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Re: Thank you, Myrrhage
Liza, I think I need to clarify one thing, as I don't want to leave an inaccurate impression. I have reported a couple of people to Shaycom, for being "verbally" abusive and overly aggressive in their commentaries, and in one case anti-semitic. In the case of anti-semitism, the accused blogger refused to cease posting such material and was removed from Blogit. The others remain on this site, which is fine by me; I just don't read them anymore, and I certainly don't engage in commentary with them, although we do nudge each other around from time to time. Rather like adversaries bumping each others' shoulders in the high school halls. It's almost funny. Almost.
What is really perplexing is that rude behavior is so often tolerated here, but every so often a blogger like Shelly gets singled out. It really makes no sense at all. Of all the people to call out for "flaming", why her??? Blogit is often arbitrary in who they decide should be censored and who should be left alone. As I said above, I did complain, but the "offensive" posts and comments remain. Who gets to decide what stays and what goes? Clearly something is amiss.
I think what it comes down to is that "freedom of expression" is too often used as an excuse to be a jerk, and "political correctness" as a way to get away with censorship. Where's the middle ground? Like Elyse said, why not just find a better way to moderate across the board, rather than picking people out of the crowd willy nilly?
There's never a perfect solution. But this arbitrary, random censorship (believe me, this is nothing new here) is disturbing and spoils the experience of blogging for those of us who are here to be better writers, to learn from each other.
posted by
myrrhage_
on December 30, 2009 at 8:29 AM
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Thank you, Myrrhage
Very kind of you.
I don't like that you can be convicted/punished, even if it is for only a week, without some kind of proof..If I understood Sam's latest post correctly, two of her poems were deleted by Blogit. If someone develops a vendetta against you because of personality dynamics, jealousy, differing politics, religion, world view, etc. then it is quite chilling to writing, interacting activities to know a complaint and nothing more to officialdom can result in censorship. I realize Blogit is a privately owned entity and can follow whatever rules/processes they deem sufficient, but this is bad business practice, in my opinion.
Sorry to go on so...:)
posted by
LizaM
on December 30, 2009 at 8:07 AM
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Re: Re:LizaM
From what I understand, there's a one-week "cooling off period", I believe, during which the accused blogger cannot comment or add posts. She's still able to post and comment, so maybe Shelly's reprimand was "minor", although for her to be reported
at all is truly mystifying.
posted by
myrrhage_
on December 30, 2009 at 7:50 AM
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Truly a black and sad day for blogit; Shelly is so kind and ecouraging, and as I said earlier, the first one to comment on my first post, so extra special for me. Hope you're doing well, Betty.
posted by
Nita09
on December 30, 2009 at 7:48 AM
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Re:LizaM
Well, I suppose that one can protest to Blogit if one receives a reprimand. I'm not very sure about the appeal's procedure here.
posted by
elinjo
on December 30, 2009 at 7:32 AM
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Sam's latest message
here.
posted by
elinjo
on December 30, 2009 at 7:06 AM
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Re: Nautikos
Isn't all this about the golden middle way?
posted by
elinjo
on December 30, 2009 at 6:51 AM
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Re:
er, that would be elinjo, not elilnjo. Stupid fingers.
posted by
myrrhage_
on December 30, 2009 at 6:50 AM
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I'm with Elyse on this one. Thank you so much for posting this, elilnjo. If Shaycom wants to quibble over who's "flaming and trolling", they'd do well to look over a few others' commenting and posting practices. But
Shelly of all people? This is weird indeed...
posted by
myrrhage_
on December 30, 2009 at 6:48 AM
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Re: peaceful blogging
I agree with you Elyse about:
'I simply think that Blogit should look over a few more within this community of theirs to be fair to all; before they start just (in my humble opinion) flagging some and simply not assessing the whole arena.'
On some sites there are moderators, who make sure there is fair play and civil discussions.
Thanks for visiting!
posted by
elinjo
on December 30, 2009 at 6:47 AM
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Elinjo
I second you remarks! I was stunned when I read her post - I really can't believe that anyone in his or her right mind would have any complaints about her. But then, we may have to accept the fact that here in Blogitville, as everywhere else, you have people that are out of their minds, LOL.
On a more general level, I belong to a tradition in which any topic is open to discussion, even sacred ones, subject only to the norms of common courtesy and civility, and I abhor the way in which 'political correctness' attempts to curtail public debate in order not to 'offend'. Especially when this leads to advocating tolerance of the intolerant, as so well expressed and warned against by Hopper...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 30, 2009 at 6:37 AM
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I agree completely, Elinjo
Being new here, I wonder about the process if somebody complains about you - I mean, do you get a chance to defend yourself if accused of breaking the rules - shouldn't proof be required - the offending comment/s, post, words pointed out? And in Sam's case, where I'm sure none exists, then shouldn't the person who lodged the complaint be reprimanded for trying to "inflame?" I certainly hope Blogit takes such care in fairness when dealing with paying members to this site; very poor business/public relations sense if they do not.
Didn't intend to bombard you with questions; just feeling pretty uneasy and frustrated over this whole situation.
posted by
LizaM
on December 30, 2009 at 6:36 AM
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It's very sad, indeed. I think much of what happens online and sites such
as these are misunderstandings or a difference in opinion...I pray she reconsiders as she is a great support and encouragement to many here, including me.
posted by
Ariala
on December 30, 2009 at 6:32 AM
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posted by
Ariala
on December 30, 2009 at 6:31 AM
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Elinjo ~ Thank you dear Lady for your blog here this morning. I was moved to great sadness after reading all I read yesterday with regards to Sam's (Shelly's) departure. I pray for a resolve to this ~ with Peace directing the way. All of a bunch of confusion and I simply think that Blogit should look over a few more within this community of theirs to be fair to all; before they start just (in my humble opinion) flagging some and simply not assessing the whole arena. There is no control over written words - there should not be 'control' - *
a year or so ago I was offended greatly by one here - and what I did was chose not to 'read' this person's blog any longer - that simple. I was mature enough to take some space for a bit and not battle the whole ordeal...therefore, the 'drama' would have time to calm down. I know there will be uncomfortable situations with regards to people voicing their opinions and such, but again, I can choose to excuse myself. There should be a warning, a disclaimer as such: Warning - Not for Sensitive Readers ---
- At any rate, I appreciate your dedication to Sam this morning, it touches my heart and I pray all will come to a resolve and once again, Shelly/Sam will be peacefully blogging here at home with us. I share my respect with you, dear Elinjo ~ Elyse
posted by
elysianfields
on December 30, 2009 at 6:29 AM
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Betty - thank you for sharing this. Sam is one of the most encouraging persons that I have known.
posted by
shobana
on December 30, 2009 at 2:51 AM
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Re: Times Have Changed
As far as I can see it's about finding a balance between free speech and inflammatory remarks. Thanks for commenting, Rhanda.
posted by
elinjo
on December 30, 2009 at 12:54 AM
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What?!!
Complete and total craziness.
posted by
shadesofblue
on December 30, 2009 at 12:07 AM
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Times Have Changed
I remember a time when inflammatory described 90% of the top blogs on here. As I was in the middle of some of that, I can't see it as a totally bad thing that Blogit has chosen to be more cautious now. This isn't a judgement as to whether Sam should or shouldn't be here, just about the general change in atmosphere.
posted by
Rhanda
on December 30, 2009 at 12:02 AM
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