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RSM, Lynch mobs are NOT any form of justice

And what you suggest has far too often been proven to be killing innocent people.  Just because a person is accused of a crime, does NOT make them guilty of it.

Just the fact that right here you are openly encouraging the idea or lynch mobs make it clear to me you have no clue in the least as to how justice works.  You just want revenge and don't seem to care if you kill the wrong person, as long as someone takes the blame and the punishment.

posted by kooka_lives on October 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM | link to this | reply

Re: so you want to pay more taxes to have them executed

"so you want to pay more taxes to have them executed

it does cost more for an execution than for a life stay in prison."

A rope and a tree costs very little. No I do not want to pay taxes of these vile things; kill'em; problem solved and message sent!

The last part of your comment is evidence of someone who has never experience where violent crime against their own family. So with what your comment said here i would like to suggest that these criminals be released to live in your house and all around your house. Should not be a problem according to you! Plus they would be far from North Carolina. Problem solved.

posted by RedStatesMan on October 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM | link to this | reply

so you want to pay more taxes to have them executed

it does cost more for an execution than for a life stay in prison.

you talk about the families of the victims -- I would say that the convicted have indeed paid their debt to society -- that's a big chunk of their life -- and, as I say, they are far from repeating their crime.  In fact, many of this sort don't repeat when they are released.

What the justice system has become too many times is a weapon for vengeance for the victims' families -- instead of being a system (as it was originally intended) of protection for the innocent through the sorting of evidence or lack thereof, it has become just like a gun in the hand of the families -- just as if those people had a gun in their hand and use it.

"'Vengeance is mine,' saith the LORD".

posted by Xeno-x on October 28, 2009 at 9:08 AM | link to this | reply

RSM, you're going off topic as always

First off I said "I very much believe I would be able to forgive such people", I used the word "believe" because I do not know for a fact that I would be that forgiving, as you sad we do not actually know how we will act until such actual situations take place. One thing I do know is that I understand the world very well and I know that obsessing over hate and clinging to vengeance helps no one and is of no value to our society.

Then of course you show your total lack of understanding of the issue,as you change the subject and try to turn this into a debate on abortion.  I've already made my views on abortion very clear and if we wish to see an end to abortion, we need to move away from the conservative fundamentalists ideas that keep it so we need the option of abortion available, so that we are not ruining countless lives.

Your views though often seem to be fully about ruining people's lives, not about making them better or giving them a chance to make them better.

Convince me that even one of those 27 people is going to be dangerous to anyone if they are let out of jail.  If they have changed and feel regret for their past mistakes and are now willing to go back into the world and be productive, then justice has been served and there is NOTHING more that can be gained by keeping them locked up.

posted by kooka_lives on October 28, 2009 at 7:53 AM | link to this | reply

Re: RSM, too bad you're not a Christian...

The only problem is that you and your family (God forbid) has never experienced losing a member of your family to murder or the act of being raped, obviously. One thing you will learn in life is to never ever say what you would or would not do in a circumstance if you have never experienced it before because you truly do not know due to the situation.

The value of a person or a life to me is evident in my complete disagreement with abortion. You stated, "For all you know, each of those 27 people are ready to be useful and valuable members of society." I am 100% positive that the unborn would have a great chance at being valuable to the society if not that they had been murdered. It is so interesting that you would go to the point of twisting and spinning Jesus in this way just to debate, however this does not shock me at all.  

posted by RedStatesMan on October 27, 2009 at 7:49 PM | link to this | reply

RSM, too bad you're not a Christian...

Because Jesus taught this forgiveness thing.  You seem to follow  some very unChristian ideas here.

And yes, I very much believe I would be able to forgiven such people if my loved ones were their victim, especailly if they had changed and truly were able to understand the pain they had caused.

You see I understand that people make mistakes and should be given second chances.

To defend your point here, you would have to be able to show that all of these guys were dangerous.  Because in truth, if even one of them is ready to return to society and be a valuable member of society, then it is worth it to let them out and give them that chance.   You talk about the value of life over and over again, yet you seem to not grasp the real value of life in the least.  For all you know, each of those 27 people are ready to be useful and valuable members of society. None of them can do that if locked up.

Once more I am getting confused as to which one of us is the Christians and follows the teaching of Christ.  You are far more ready to condemn and devalue people that to give them a chance.  That alone tells me your real ideas on the value of a person and of life.

posted by kooka_lives on October 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM | link to this | reply

Re: so you're willing to pay more taxes to keep them in prison?

The idea is to execute a guilty murderer then there are no taxes and they are never released. Why don't you tell "I would also suppose they're too old to do much harm anyway -- so what's the big deal?" to the victim's families.

For the life of me I have no idea where you liberals get your warped mindset from, no idea at all. So if a member of your family would have been a victim of one of these murderers or rapist then you have made the above comment???

Amazing! Simply amazing! 

posted by RedStatesMan on October 25, 2009 at 10:24 AM | link to this | reply

NC Liberal Approach To Murderers And Rapists

Come on -- as far as not being a "problem" because of age, reeks to me of ageism and I resent that.  If I were a con (no such thing as an excon) and was a senior citizen, the first thing I would do would be to demand my rights!  Who says I can't hit another store, or mug a drunk?  Hypocrisy, I say.  joab

posted by joab3 on October 25, 2009 at 10:10 AM | link to this | reply

so you're willing to pay more taxes to keep them in prison?

I would also suppose they're too old to do much harm anyway -- so what's the big deal?

posted by Xeno-x on October 25, 2009 at 7:27 AM | link to this | reply