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Re: Xeno.....You apparently lived in a cage as a child........
my mistake -- I should probably have elucidated -- I was addressing the writer's influenza vaccine issue -- and simply didn't specify that I was referring to influenza vaccine -- but you did show that influenza vaccine wasn't available during the 1918 epidemic.

and thanks for the insulting response.

I suppose tit for tat eh?


posted by Xeno-x on September 4, 2009 at 6:51 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: didn't think there were vaccines then
I meant influenze -- and Corbin has proved me right -- 1st influenza vaccine was 1945

posted by Xeno-x on September 4, 2009 at 6:48 AM | link to this | reply

Re: FormerStudentIntern
Thanks. The books told us differently. I studied Health Science back then and the vaccine discoverers and makers were the heroes. I was lucky to find that 1918 eyewitness. People might think that this was an innocent time. Not so! The Federal Reserve Act was just passed while Congress went home for the holidays...1913 or 1914!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 7:30 PM | link to this | reply

Re: chuck_ibrahim
Thanks! Its more than money-making. It is the advancing of the goals of the elites....including the owners of the vaccine companies!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 7:25 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Sinome
I see that you are trying to understand this. Antidotes, anti-poisons and anti-toxins work directly on the poison to neutralise it. This is how snake venom is dealt with. A vaccine has many ingredients...formaldehyde, mercury, an adjuvant, and dead or half-dead viruses. It has become clear that healthy viruses have been put in vaccines, and especially in Africa, they say its one thing and it turns out to be another....which is how HIV was spread in New York and in Africa. Everything in the vaccine is calculated to do damage because this is how an immune response is secured. But, the battle goes the other way and patients get sick and die. Check how many are getting sick or dying from Gardasil which they say is meant to defeat the HPV! As for your folks back in 1918, it is quite possible that they could have received the vaccine too. Europe was and is the hometown of the vaccine-makers. When I was just a kid, the vaccines reached us....in the lagoon settlements where no black people could come. I tend to believe this lady because she was a Naturopath, because 1976 proved her right and 2009 will prove her right!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM | link to this | reply

Re: 19-18 was a pretty terrible end of a pretty terrible time ie the war.
Thanks Kabu! Like now, all the soldiers were vaccinated. Thats why they got sick.

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 7:09 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Intresting read
Thanks lionreign! I wish I could give you more on this. I looked for timelines of infection, vaccinations and deaths or infection, no vaccination and life spared. I know that these vaccine companies and medical authorities are no bumbling idiots. This is all part of a deliberate plot. It was discovered in 1976 and it is here with us again in 2009. For me, its a good call that 1918 was the same thing. Having a literate, qualified eyewitness makes all that much of a difference!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 7:06 PM | link to this | reply

Re: lustorlove
Thanks for the visit! I'm sure there were stories then. Fortunately, this lady printed a book to leave us her message. I do believe her!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 6:49 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Dear Dave, Soul builder...
Thanks Raphael222. You are very intelligent and you are right to use this intelligence to try to get to the bottom of things. It is possible for consciousness to create reality. If God ideated then this 'word' became 'flesh', it is possible that us, the sparks of God also possess some of that power. But, that is where it stops. Any philosophy that does not admit of good and evil in the exterior world, and of soul and the dark side, in the interior world, is barren. It cannot give you the cues and clues of how to grow spiritually. There is only one real obstacle: the devil and his dark side hordes. If you do not go up against that obstacle, there can be no forward motion. Christ himself fought the devil and the dark side. I have been studying Quantum Mechanics as related by Colonel Tom S Bearden for quite a few years. I was not trained in Physics but I do grasp many of his theories. I know of the Vacuum and the latent power in there that can be tapped. I know that the technology called Scalar weapons do tap into the vaccuum and can create phenomenon in distant places. I know that it is possible for consciousness to to hook up to the vacuum and manifest certain desirable outcomes. But guess what, this power only comes when the soul has defeated the dark side within and rules its own roost. The Hindu scriptures call this power SANKALPA or supreme will power. Guess what, very very few people have had this power over the ages. It demands a level of purity and enlightenment that only few have ever achieved historically. When such people exist on Earth, they hide in Himalayan caves etc to do their work or the status quo will kill them. It seems that Amit Goswami and deepak Chopra are of the status quo!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 6:46 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Interesting and not surprising to me...thanks!
Thanks Ariala! I'm not very surprised either. I thought that there really was a flu that killed people! After 1976, it was not strange to discover that 1918 was also a hoax!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM | link to this | reply

Corbin Dallas
Thanks for the heads up on vaccines and their historical entry into medicine. The official version is always suspect. Who knows what other monsters they conjured up, used on people but never let on about their misdeeds. There are some existing now that have questionable origins: AIDS, West Nile Virus, Ebola, etc. I believe that it is all biowarfare!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 6:24 PM | link to this | reply

Re: didn't think there were vaccines then
Thanks Xeno-x. Corbin has removed your doubt!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM | link to this | reply

Re: This is interesting and prompts another take on the issue than the
Thanks Straightforward. In 1976 the hoax was discovered. Even Ron Paul was there and in a youtube video, he recalls the deaths by vaccine!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2009 at 6:15 PM | link to this | reply

I never knew that the vaccine was more responsible back in 1918. A way different tale is told in the history books.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on August 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM | link to this | reply

It is so confusing to the point that we don't know right from wrong. Deep in my heart I believe that this flu is made up by big corporations. The purpose is to make money. I hope that I am wrong !! Thank for for keeping us informed about this subject matter Keep on the good work.

posted by Chuck_E_Ibrahim on August 29, 2009 at 12:42 AM | link to this | reply

but... The human body is an amazing work of art.  I thought the idea of vaccination was to introduce into a healthy person either small amounts of the live virus or even better,  dead virus,  to trick the body into producing antibodies against it.  Then if the virus infected the person she or he already would have the defenses in place to repudiate the attack... An antidote is a different thing... it works by blocking the effect of a poison by chemically reacting to it or by making the blood cells in the poisoned person able to act against the poison.  That is what I was taught... might be wrong but it made sense to me.  By the way... my grandmother's mother and several of her siblings, nepheus and nieces died during the 1918  Influenza... I don't believe they were ever inmunized since they were simple folks that  lived deep into wine country in France.  There was not much vaccination going on back then in Europe and hundreds of thousands died.  Just food for thought 101 :-)

posted by Sinome on August 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM | link to this | reply

19-18 was a pretty terrible end of a pretty terrible time ie the war.
Australia shouldn't have even been over there in it at all....then the flu wouldn't have reached her shores back in those days.

posted by Kabu on August 28, 2009 at 7:12 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Soul Builder101
Thanks Wiley! Antidote works against the poison. Vaccines give you more of the poisons, in a homeopathic way ie hoping for an immune building response. Yet, the poisons are so overwhelming that in 1918 many people died just after being vaccinated. Good medicine delivers you from your travails, not kill you!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM | link to this | reply

Soul Builder101
Always interesting to read even if I don't comprehend it all really. Now, if a person is bitten by a snake and an antidote is used to save their life, is there any comparison between that and an anti flu serum or vaccine in your mind? 

posted by WileyJohn on August 28, 2009 at 12:45 PM | link to this | reply

Intresting read
I would love to see corroborating evidence.  I must admit to being easily swayed in that direction as I am strongly of the opinion that western medicine is at best reckless and haphazard.

posted by lionreign on August 28, 2009 at 7:54 AM | link to this | reply

something I agree on imagine that, my mom and dad were both alive then but I am sure too young to remember, but I bet they heard stories.

posted by Lanetay on August 28, 2009 at 7:35 AM | link to this | reply

Dear Dave, Soul builder...
I apologize for not getting back to you until now about your comments on my blog about elites.

I have also been reading some of your back posts about the panics created by the press etc.

the way the elites exploit the masses & so forth.

Finally I read your latest post about the vaccines that caused the Spanish 'flu. (Please note that from my computer the link you posted to the article in "wholistic health" did not function, so I could not read that ????).

First of all I must say that I underestimated you due to my cursory and superficial reading habits. I now think you have a very interesting, passionate and intelligent "take" on things. 

I agree generally with a lot of the things you have said, but I do not agree that Amit Goswani & reputable quantum physicists or leaders like Deepak Chopra are talking mumbo-jumbo and are part of what you see as one of the elitist conspiracies to mislead the people. (I may be wrong, but it seemed to me that was what you were suggesting?)

 On the other hand, it is relatively simple to manipulate the facts of quantum physics and even conventional physics, as well as theological documents, etc. to come up with some mumbo-jumbo "Life is what you make it" formula that is 'sold' (for only $19.99) to a guillible public. And it happens every day, yes...and various groups do exploit the people, not only elites.

However, because this is true, does not mean that evil and corruption are the only things out there. There is goodness and truth in the mix, too and as Christians, we should as far as we are able stay "in Christ" bringing his spirit to the world wherever we go; not that I am saying this is always simple or easy to do.

 It is factually and mathematically true that our consciousness is an element that helps to determine outcomes in the physical spatial-temporal world. Quantum physics shows this.

To go from there to "meditating to manifest real Cadillacs" (as Amit Goswani has ponted out) is to misunderstand what the depths of wisdom are. It also is a misunderstanding to think that Cadillacs is what one would 'produce' if one could with this kind of power; for it would not be used for anything that did not accord with the will of divine providence. ((Not everybody who calls me Lord! Lord! will reach the Kingdom of Heaven, but only him who does the will of the Father.)).

However, you are right, that the purveyors of pernicious literature and 'new ideologies' out to make money use little understood quantum truths to promote a doctrine like "You can create your own life". What neither they, for the most part, and certainly not the people who buy onto the schemes understand is that "..creating your own life.." etc. is nothing to do with the materialistic universe as such. It is like giving a pen and ink to an elephant and asking it to write a book. ((Do not give what is holy to the pigs))

 Having said that, I do not believe it is right to simply lump together anything that seems at first to be outside of mainstream orthodox Christian belief as "mumbo-jumbo." ((God wants worshippers who worship him in spirit AND truth)). Therefore, I say, praise God for the depths of understanding that our scientists, like Newton, Maxwell, Einstein and now Amit Goswani, etc. have reached and let let it all IN CHRIST be integrated as we reach new frontiers. No, you do not need to understand quantum physics to go to heaven and Christ came for the poor in Spirit. But if you have had something of a modern education and are at the same time a believer, it is a wonderful thing to see science and faith converging, if God gives you something of the ability to do that.

In my humble opinion.

 Jonathan

 

 

 

 

posted by Raphael222 on August 28, 2009 at 7:21 AM | link to this | reply

Sorry guys, I just checked the link and it is not working. Give me a minute and I will have it up and running! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 28, 2009 at 6:54 AM | link to this | reply

Interesting and not surprising to me...thanks!

posted by Ariala on August 28, 2009 at 6:07 AM | link to this | reply

Xeno.....You apparently lived in a cage as a child........
The first vaccine was for Smallpox.....in 1798.   Did you skip history class?

18th century

[edit] 19th century

[edit] 20th century


posted by Corbin_Dallas on August 28, 2009 at 5:51 AM | link to this | reply

didn't think there were vaccines then
the only vaccines I know of came about in the late 60's, early 70's

posted by Xeno-x on August 28, 2009 at 5:34 AM | link to this | reply

This is interesting and prompts another take on the issue than the
predominant one.

posted by Straightforward on August 27, 2009 at 8:52 PM | link to this | reply

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