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RSM, I gues you grasp of english is realyl weak then

Nothing at all in this post suggests anything at all about Bush Sr.  I am figuring it is you who has no idea as to what he is talking about, which is par for the course with you.

You started talking about Bush Sr. here in the comments section, which had nothing at all to do with anything in any of my comments.  I've not been talking about him or addressing you comments about him at all.  Using him as an answer to my father's question has nothing at all to do with the exchange we are having.  I was talking about Obame, because the post you wrote here was abotu Obama, not Bush Sr.

Of course you have not at all addressed anything I have presented to you to show your views here to be wrong.  instead you have done all you can to change the subject and ignore the truth. I've yet to finds anyone I know who voted for Obama (Including some normally cosnervative minded people who felt that McCain was too dangerous of a person to allow to have such power) who thinks it was a mistake, yet I know MANY who voted for Bush and are ashamed of it.  These are of course people who are not mindless sheep who consider everything conservative to be good and everything liberal to be bad of vic-versa (Since a person would have to be really messed up and as clueless as it gets to believe such a load of non-sense from either side).  They voted for Obama because it was clear beyond clear he was the better choice and they understand greatly that you have to give it time before you can judge how effective his plans will be.

Yes, you told my dad it would not be classy for you to attack me after you go and attack me in the manner you are saying would not be classy.  It would be like telling your wife she looks fat in a dress and then saying afterwards that you don't want to upset her by saying anything about how she looks fat in the dress. You can't take it back by saying you are going to do what you did after you already did it.  You put the comments out there that were an insult towards me and there is no asking it back.  By your own statements here you are showing yourself to lack class because you said what you did was not classy after you did it.  it does not matter what is going on between you and my father, since that ahs nothing to do with what you said about me and my skill as a writer.  And I have every right to take offense when you so openly and insulting question those skills for no good reason.

While I do find it insulting, you are not an editor and you views on my writing are truly unimportant.  I just found it offensive and pointless for you to make such an attack on me. I am much more worried about the views of the editor I am working with right now, who specifically has asked me to write various stuff for him because he seems to disagree with you abotu my skills with English, and he gets paid to judge people's skill in writing.  So my advice for you is to not make such ignorant statements just because you dislike me and my father.  The statement was insulting and goes against actual professionals who we figure better know what they are doing better than you.

posted by kooka_lives on August 3, 2009 at 3:45 PM | link to this | reply

Bush 1 didn't bother Afghanistan

that being said, it seems you and I agree that something should be done in Afghanistan.  What we might disagree on is that Bush II's incursion into Iraq and ignoring of Afghanistan has led us to the present untenable situation.  Nobody, I think disagrees that the present action in  Afghanistan seems necessary.  You are trying to portray liberals as thinking that Obama pledged to keep us out of war. --I understand that he pledged to get us out of Iraq.  Period.

While Bushie Jr. was wasting American youth in Iraq, the situation in Afghanistan became worse.  It was almost as if it didn't exist.

Back to Bush I -- he inherited Reagan's approval of Saddam Hussein, and turned a blind eye toward Saddam's criminal activities until the invasion of Kuwait.  In 1982, after the gassing of Kurds, for which Saddam was tried after his capture, Saddam received millions of dollars of U.S. aid -- that because he was fighting Iran, which was our enemy because of the capture of the embassy, and which was our enemy becasue the U.S. backed the Shah, whose regime was comparable to Saddam's in the atrocities committed.

Bottom line, then, as noted in the first sentence, you agree basically with Pres. Obama's policy toward Afghanistan -- is that correct?

posted by Xeno-x on August 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: RSM

My dear "I Love Writing", I realized that the day I first heard the name barrack hussein obama. A democrat throws money at every issue. Why? It is because that is all they know to do. They have no solutions to any issue or crisis, none! This has been proven since 1960!

I did not nor would I ever have been so brain dead to have voted for obama. I am a conservative Republican for a reason. I have never agreed with the democrat and/or liberal ideology nor will I ever agree with it. What you are seeing here are many young Americans thinking, "Gee, maybe I made a mistake by voting for obama." DUH! Now all of us are reaping his worthlessness because he is a liberal socialist democrat, which to me, is the lowest form of life.  

You are a nurse so you know exactly first hand of what I am talking about. I have my two parents who have Alzheimers and Parkinsons, they are 85 years old. I have an 11 year old handicap daughter who depends on my wife and I for every daily bodily function. My wife's parents have level 4 cancer and diabetes which has affected her Dad's eyesight and he has had toes taken off due to this event in his life. Remember that obama's said the problem is the elderly with the costs. So what does this son-of-a-bitch mean by that? Does this mean that our parents are cut off from medicare or medicaid or both? My Dad is a WWII Marine and yet we will have to endure this bastard obama and his worthless healthcare? My daughter is handicapped. We must feed her and change her diapers and she is 11 years old. This worthless bastard obama's plan will be GREAT for people who are healthy but for the people of our family it will result in all of the problems that are seen in other nations. My daughter can not wait for hours to see a doctor or have her doctor changed to another or anything different than what we are currently doing at the moment. You know what I am talking about.

posted by RedStatesMan on August 1, 2009 at 10:34 PM | link to this | reply

Re: the question pertains to the present situation

I am shocked you would even ask that of myself. We should clean the nation out of terrorists. What you are missing is that you want to respond to this as "This is what obama is doing" but what you missed in my post is this is exactly what you liberals have hated all the time about Bush. Every damn liberal in the nation shouts about ending the war but yet when your boy obama is in charge and he increases forces in Afghanistan, you say not one damn thing! This is exactly the contradiction that thrives in your absolutely worthless party. Your party is pathetic as hell!

So I have answered your one question. I am sorry you could not take more than one year at a time.

posted by RedStatesMan on August 1, 2009 at 10:21 PM | link to this | reply

Re: RSM, are you really that clueless?

I am obviously going past your memory here. What I was talking about was what Bush 1 should have done. Do you remember Bush Sr.? LOL!

I must admit it is hard to follow your reply here. I suggest you read what your dad had asked me then read it again.

As far as your bad English comments, I have nothing to say about them because this too was your dad's attack on me about it in one of my post. Now, you know I have been on this website for many years. I explained to your dad how typos will occur and yes there are many of yours as well as mine have those but I told him I thought it was in bad taste to bring up something like that. I told him that it would be classy for me to attack you on that issue or anyone else for that matter. Get over it! 

posted by RedStatesMan on August 1, 2009 at 10:16 PM | link to this | reply

Re: RSM

I think  there are many points of view with good ideas.  The one thing that needs to be said here, I think, is if we don't STOP spending money we don't have, it won't matter what goes on in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran.  We will be a third world country with confederate paper for money.

Has anyone chatting here realized that we are borrowing past our eyeballs from people we do NOT trust or agree with? 

The American people will rise again, but not if we put our grandkids and their kids future in hock.

Just a lowly nurse who KNOWS that nationalized healthcare and all the other things on the table in Washington will hurt.....not help

posted by I_love_writing on August 1, 2009 at 2:28 PM | link to this | reply

the question pertains to the present situation

what do you propose that we do in Afghanistan right now?

And regarding your statement of what you would do -- I am assuming that you are talking about an earlier decade -- 50?  60? -- what?  -- what situation?  What terrorism?

But let's answer one question at a time.

What should the U.S. be doing about Afghanistan right now?

posted by Xeno-x on August 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM | link to this | reply

And Yes RSM, I made typos in that comment

But that in itself does not back you up.  Everyone makes typos and I am not a good proof reader of the comments I make here.  For you to be able to defend your claim, you need to find a regular pattern of me making typos in a majority of my comments and posts. 

Although just for the record, typos do not equal bad English.

posted by kooka_lives on August 1, 2009 at 11:21 AM | link to this | reply

RSM, are you really that clueless?

After 9/11 we went after those who attacked us, but Bush Jr. did not do the job right and pulled out and diverted our resources to Iraq.  Iraq was NOT a threat in the least.  Because Bush Jr. pulled our resources to Iraq, he let the Taliban have the time it needed to become a threat once again.  If Bush would have had a clue, he would have finished up with Afghanistan, dealt fully with the Taliban and then started worrying abotu those countries who were not real threat o us, like Iraq.

I've not said a thing about Bush Sr.  You are the one who put that in there.  What does he have to do with any of this?  The issue was Afghanistan and the present war in Iraq I thought.  I have been comparing Bush Jr's actions to Obama's actions, since that seemed to be the subject here.  Could you show me where in the post you used Bush Sr.

I'm not making Obama a martyr.  He's just the poor sap who got stuck cleaning up Bush's mess.

Could you please show me example where I have used bad English?  You seem to be hinting that this is a regular, on going issue with my writings.  You keep trying to claim you are not going to go there, but you did right before you claimed you were not.  You've put it out there and I find it very insulting and basically figure you need to be man enough for once to back up such claims.  I have sold five short stories to various markets as well as dozens of articles and I have every right to feel insulted when someone tries to claim that I use bad English when my goal is to make it as a writer and have so far been been selling my work and I've not had any professionals for a long time comment on any issues with my use of English.

posted by kooka_lives on August 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM | link to this | reply

Re: RSM

You sold articles and short stories? To whom and how? Can't imagine that. However, as I stated before, I will not talk bad about your English, but it seems you did not read what I said.

The rest of this reply is the same ole liberal spin that bores me to no end. I am speaking about what happened in the 80's and how I disagreed with Bush Sr. and you are talking about obama, the great twit! Divert everything to Bush, that is the liberal agenda, poor ole obama the martyr, ha! You will reap what you sowed on November 4, 2008.

posted by RedStatesMan on July 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM | link to this | reply

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Yeah, you're right, after 9/11 we should have just have just sat around and waited for them to kill more Americans and never done anything. With your kind of mindset this nation is over. How worthless.

posted by RedStatesMan on July 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM | link to this | reply

RSM

I would give Obama more than six months to clean up a mess Bush made during his eight years in office.  Generally it takes MORE time to clean up a mess than to make it.

Now you seem to really not have a clue as to what anyone is saying.  No one has once questioned us being in Afghanistan.  They DID attack us first and we had every right to go in and deal with the Taliban.  If Bush would have done the right thing seven years ago and focused on taking them down instead of getting involved in Iraq, and letting them have the time they need to become a threat again.  No one was bashing Bush for Afghanistan, so your claim of this being a 'parody' is as weak as it gets  Obama sending more troops in to clean up Bush's mess is nothing at all like Bush starting a war just because he had nothing better to do.

This here is NOTHING at all like my criticism of Bush.  Invading Iraq was NOT defending our nation and only a coward would think otherwise, because only a coward needs to invade another country that has done nothing to us in order to feel safe.

As for your strange attack on my issue with Typos here,  I know for a fact that I make very few any more.  I have gotten really good about that.  And I also know for a fact that I seem to have a better grasp of English than you do.  I mean how many pieces of your writings have you actually sold?  I have sold various article and short stories.  That does not happen if you are not proficient as a writer.  While I will admit to making typos, it is not as regular as you are suggesting here.  I just do not worry as much about my typos here as I do in the work I am trying to sell.

posted by kooka_lives on July 31, 2009 at 7:41 PM | link to this | reply

Both sides are crap! Bush started that war!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on July 31, 2009 at 6:46 PM | link to this | reply

Re: RSM

You hired obama so how long will you give your employee to fix the so-called problems which is the reason you hired him in the first place? So you tell me! Your explanation of why obama sent in more troops was hilarious. If Bush would have done that then you would have been all over him.

What this post was is a parody. Get it? I was trying to portray you liberals back when you were blasting Bush. Understand? This here is nothing different than what you did.

posted by RedStatesMan on July 31, 2009 at 6:37 PM | link to this | reply

Re: WHAT KOOKA SAID -- WITH AN ADDED QUESTION

I'll give you one that Bush Sr. should have done to not have this situation now. You liberals were right, he should not invaded Iraq. If I would have been president, I would have simply started by drilling for oil in this nation even before Bush Sr. and started by not sending any money to any Middle Eastern nation for anything. If they still persisted then I would have informed them that either they stop theri own terrorist networks or we would stop lifein that region in fell swoop. If they still would have persisted then I would agree with the liberals and not have gone into Iraq,Iran and Afghanistan all at once.

Unlike liberals I have a backbone and will defend our nation, even the liberals and their families who hate America so much but continue to live here because they know the truth.

Understand?

posted by RedStatesMan on July 31, 2009 at 6:33 PM | link to this | reply

Re: The word is "WHOM"

Please, please do noteven do that. I could do that to every word your son writes but I chose a long time ago not to to that because you do not know typos from just a lack of the English language. So do not go there with me but if you persist then go back read everything written by kooka, got it? Now this topic is over and closed because I refuse to say that about your son, not a classy thing to do. 

posted by RedStatesMan on July 31, 2009 at 6:22 PM | link to this | reply

The word is "WHOM"

Obama Is In Touch With Whom?

not

Obama Is In Touch With Who?

posted by Xeno-x on July 31, 2009 at 12:12 PM | link to this | reply

WHAT KOOKA SAID -- WITH AN ADDED QUESTION

So what do you propose we do in Afghanistan?

Please respond with positive proposals, not what we should not be doing -- but what we should be doing.

posted by Xeno-x on July 31, 2009 at 12:10 PM | link to this | reply

RSM

Let's see just how piss poor your logic can get.

First of, Obama has not invaded Afghanistan.  He sent in more troops to try and clean up the mess Bush left behind.  In fact if Bush would have done the right thing and finished up fully in Afghanistan before he pushed us into Iraq, most likely things woudl be different.  But because Bush ad a hard-on over invading Iraq, things were never finished in Afghanistan and the Taliban and other such groups were given time to reorganize and become more dangerous.  And one fact about thsi, it is NOT my opinion I am stating here, but the opinion of many of Bush's millinery advisors, who he did not listen to.

Your claim hold not weight at all and is once more just a bunch of hot air.

It really amazes me at times at how much you and other conservatives refuse to place the blame for a lot of the problems we are having right now where it belongs,with Bush and his administration.  Bush screwed us over big time and left things around the world in bad shape.  But instead of being a man and sayign that you were wrong in supporting Bush, you have to try and place the blame for it all on Obama, who is running ragged trying to clean up Bush's many messes

posted by kooka_lives on July 31, 2009 at 11:13 AM | link to this | reply