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carol

This is one of those times where I really am clueless as to what the commenter got out of my post.

One of the core areas of my beliefs is that everyone is going to find their won paths to deal with life.  You said you found that your belief in God helped you deal with hard times, while I was not able to deal with such things until I realized there was no God.  Neither one of us is wrong to believe as we do, especially if we believe as we do because it is part of who we are, and not just because we feel obligated to believe such.

I do not and never did 'blame' God for anything.  Even when I believed in God, I never thought it was his fault.  Now that I am positive there is no God, it would be pointless to try and blame God for anything.  Just as I do not blame the Devil for anything, since I very much am positive that the Devil is a fictional character.

I've read your blog and am aware of what you went through as a child. I know many others who went through similar events that have left hem in bad shape.  You found that  belief in God helped you deal with it.  I have found others who were basically destroyed because they put their faith in God after such events.

I myself do not need belief in God and most likely never will.  I really cannot see it happening because I have put my faith in other areas of life that have proven to me to be worthy of that faith.  All of what you claim to find in your belief in God, I find without such a belief.

posted by kooka_lives on April 24, 2009 at 2:11 PM | link to this | reply

how atheism saved me from ruin

Kooka I can't claim to know anything about what happened to you as a child to make you not believe in God. I wouldn't even try to figure it out. I don't know why people picked on you I'm sorry for that. I just want to say that I too had a pretty bad childhood and despite that I survived because I was strong and my faith helped me to overcome the problems of my past. Sometimes Christians worry too much about whether or not someone should do this and do that when they should be loving everyone regardless of their situation. If more Christians only loved unconditionally and not worry so much about whether or not you should have tattoes or other issues maybe more people would not turn away from God.

I know that God is not responsible for what happened to you when you were young anymore than he is responsible for my bad childhood. All things bad that happen to us are because of the devil and evil. God is all about love not evil. I am proud that you got self-esteem and realized that you were important but I'm sorry you turned from God to do it. No matter if you turn from him, he is still there and loving you just as much as he did back then. Many christians have been arguing for centuries over what to do or not do. If they would spend half that time trying to help others, what amazing things could be accomplished. But too many times they waste that time arguing the issues and not showing God's love.

I hope and pray that someday you will be able to realize that God is real and that he still loves you.

 

posted by carol123456 on April 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM | link to this | reply

RSM, you are still clueless

I never said anything in the post that should have led anyone to think that the divorce messed me up.  If you made such an assumption, it was a foolish assumption based off of piss poor reasoning with nothing to back it up.  Of course that seems to be how you live your life, since all I see from you is piss poor assumption based off of nothing but your own fantasies.  You would never have made such an assumption if you had clue one as to what you were talking about.  But you wish to use generalizations and stereotyping to view everyone.  Sorry but it is fact that not all children from broken homes are messed up.

And I have read your posts here on Blogit, and you do a lot of bullying.  You are aware that you have a blog titled "The Democrat Party: America's Cancer" such a title is bullying.  Just about all of your posts here is filled with bullying tactic, where you try to degrade people and put them down for nothing more than them not sharing your views of the world.  You want to make all people who are not like you, feel bad about being themselves.  THAT IS BULLYING, plane and simple.  I don't put people down for not having my beliefs.

Once more it is clear you lack a basic grasp of English and are confused with the meaning of words.  I now have to wonder what you think a bully is.

posted by kooka_lives on April 20, 2009 at 12:20 PM | link to this | reply

Re: RSM, Please go and Learn English

Your confusion and constant contradiction knows no bounds. On the issue of your divorced parents you stated:

 I have no idea what point you thought you were making with my parents having gotten divorced and my having a  step-father. I was one of those kids who was not messed-up by his parent's getting divorced (It got to my sister, but she was older) and I am very close to my step-father.

If you had no idea why I brought this up then why did you go on to say that you were not one of those kids who were messed up by divorce then you go one step further by saying it got to your sister.!? Obviously you did have an idea of what I was talking about here.

I have never been a bully in my life. Did you read what I wrote? How I dispised the ones who picked on my friend? You rationalize and generalize way too much in your writings. The fact that I disagree with your thoughts and beliefs hardly makes me a bully. The same can be said of you but I am far too mature to get into that childish game.

posted by RedStatesMan on April 19, 2009 at 9:00 PM | link to this | reply

I really enjoyed your post, I'm glad you shared.  I can see how religion can dull down your sense of self-worth.  Pride is a sin in all the teachings, but what is a person who is not proud of who they are?  I went to a particular church until I was twelve, of my own accord, and ridiculously I stopped going because of a sermon on music.  The pastor believed that all music except Christian music was evil, regardless of the lyrics.  I had grown up on classic rock with a hippie mama, and good music was very important to me.  I argued with all the pastors, and I suppose I finally saw how closed-minded these people were.  The general argument did not even matter anymore, they simply would not even hear what I was saying.  I church-hopped for a while after that, and studied many different religions, but all of them seemed to have some agenda.  I still believe in God, but I follow my own rules.  Above all, I just try to be good to others.   

posted by calia14 on April 18, 2009 at 8:08 PM | link to this | reply

Wings

I did get your e-mail and will be replying to it some time in the near future.  I am not ignoring you, just busy.

posted by kooka_lives on April 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM | link to this | reply

RSM, Please go and Learn English

Your reply ender up showing that somehow you only understood every other word of what I said in this post. It very much shows you only are understanding what you wish to understand and are ignoring the rest. basically you don't care at all about the big picture, just whatever you can find to back your own out dated beliefs. SO let's try to fix your confusion here.

I have no idea what point you thought you were making with my parents having gotten divorced and my having a  step-father.  Neither of those things really have anything to do with me being atheist or being liberal.  I really am lost as to where you got that from.  Just the fact that you decided to bring that up says a lot about how judgmental you are without knowing the full  facts.  I was one of those kids who was not messed-up by his parent's getting divorced (It got to my sister, but she was older) and I am very close to my step-father.

Yes I was picked on as a child, but I would never say that defined my beliefs. I really get the impression that you just did not get what I was saying there.  As I said in my post, I have no doubt at all that if I had not figured out there was no God, I seriously am sure I would have killed myself.  Belief in God gave me NOTHING and left me EMPTY. I saw no point at all to life because belief in God made me feel unimportant and insignificant.  SO in part it seems that it was belief in God that added to my low self esteem and made it so I was an easier target to get picked on.  Once I figured out that there was no God and that I was important, life suddenly had meaning and made sense.  I had a reason to live and I had control over my fate, which allowed to live life to its fullest.  I get the impression that you think that somehow my realizing that there was no God is some kind of backlash as if I am blmaing God for what I went though, which I can promised you is far from what happened.  I never blamed anyone for what I was going through, I just accepted that such things happened, but I did see that praying DIDN'T work to fix problems and never would.  You have to take control of your life and be your own person, remaining as true to yourself as possible.

I find it interesting that you are claiming to have stood up to bullies when you were a kid, yet now you are very much promoting the bully mentality.  You attitude towards liberals, homosexuals and , well anyone else that does not share your views is 100% the same kind of attitude bullies use.  Your tactics are also 100% pure bully tactics. I put up with that attitude and those tactics for far too long when I was young and I really think that is one of the biggest reason I do not get along with you.  You come off far too much like a bully and just am not going to put up with that kind of thing.


As for your friend who became a paster, good for him.  If he found what he needed in belief in God, than that is the path he went down.  I did address that issue in the post though.  I have known others like him and I very much feel that they do not have a true sense of self and let others define who they are .

posted by kooka_lives on April 18, 2009 at 12:04 PM | link to this | reply

So That Explains It!

Now I realize why your beliefs or lack thereof and liberal mindedness exist. You ahve a step-father, not sure if that means your Mom and Dad are divorced or not but obviously there was one biggie that explained it all to me. You were picked on as a child. That is truly a shame.When I was going through elementary school on up through high school I always despised people who picked on the kid who was either a bit different or had some form of an impediment. I was the one who always defended that person. I guess because I could. I was always the sports kid and the tallest and largest kid. Nevertheless, the kids like you were my best friends. I never belonged to a clique as they used to call it. I was the athlete in school who had friends in every group but belonged to no one group. I am sorry you were picked on, that was wrong. The kid that I remember back in those days had a similar impediment as you did back then plus he was very different than the rest. Funny thing happened, he has been a church pastor for 25 years now, lol! Guess both of you went different ways. Nevertheless, sorry about your bad times as a kid.

posted by RedStatesMan on April 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM | link to this | reply

kooka, check your email.

posted by onwingsoflove on April 17, 2009 at 9:23 AM | link to this | reply

Bhaskar

Thank you for your thoughts here.

posted by kooka_lives on April 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM | link to this | reply

Wings, it is only degrading if you wish to embrace propaganda

posted by kooka_lives on April 17, 2009 at 8:59 AM | link to this | reply

A general comment not directed at anyone in particular.

But why should anyone be discontented on whether one believes my beliefs or not? If, what I believe, is vast and universal, then I should not be bothered at all, because then, none can remain untouched, be he a theist or an atheist. How should it matter? Vastness alone can encompass the opposites, and if it cannot, then it is not vast. And another thing, they may look as opposites from a point of view of the dualists, but deep down they are One, as also complementary to each other. Therefore, anyone who claims that it is either my way or no way, know that that religion, or belief, or whatever you'd like to call it, is not evolved, not mature yet. Just my views, take it or throw it, your choice. I say this without rancor.

posted by Bhaskar.ing on April 16, 2009 at 10:19 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka just hear me...

Kooka, when you state this in your comment,"When I kept dealing with people who used (Blankety Blank)propaganda about Halloween" and so on... that IS degrading MY beliefs. Because my comment I posted was MY BELIEF, and it just so happens that some others believed the same way I did, and you were degrading them in their beliefs as well.(and I know you did not use the curse word itself there, you abbreviated it, but I'd rather not abbreviate it on my page, just so we are clear.) So, you may think what you said was "ok" but it is infact, not ok at all to me. MY BELIEF is that what I posted is not in any way "propaganda", and you did attack it as such ie:propaganda. So, yes, in my eyes you did put down what MY BELIEFS are. I hope you understand what I am saying.

posted by onwingsoflove on April 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM | link to this | reply