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RSM, wow, can you make yourself look any more idiotic?
Seriously man, go back to grade school and lean English.  You keep showing you have some serious problems in understanding the language.
 
I never once said your specific Conservative beliefs were pro-abuse.  But the FACTS are that many conservative ideas DO encourage situations that led to abuse. You would rather a young girl end up being beat and degraded because she is pregnant rather than to have an abortion and avoid the abuse that comes with it due to the negative status conservative ideas will connect to her.  And do not try to claim that when you see a pregnant teenager that you do not judge her right away, very harshly. I have dealt with far too many conservative minded people to know better than that.  You don't care about her situation, all you care about is what degrading judgment you can place her to make you feel more righteous
 
Don't know why you have decided to really sink lower than normal and act like grade schooler here (Although maybe it is because you are finally seriously considering my recommendation to go back to grade school and want to get into mind set) by making truly juvenile remarks about my father that really prove nothing outside of showing you to be a true idiot who lacks integrity and is better off being ignored.
 
I answers your questions. Did the answers confuse you?  I know I was using words and ideas that are a little above your level, but I didn't think it as that bad.  I'll try to be simpler in the future.
 
The idea of corruption does not need to have any intention behind it.  Besides the fact that the quote of mine you are referencing is based off of religious concepts that really only apply to believers while at the same time is referencing children in general, not mine specifically since I am not worried about such thing in the context that it is focused on.  (Damn I may have just really confused you there.  I have a hard time using only words and concepts a first grader can grasp). So for you to get the idea that I am talking about someone harming my children does not fit with the quote you are using, if one takes it in its actual context, just does not make any sense at all.  I do not believe there is anyone out there who is after my children.  While there is corruption (Hell, they might get involved with a group of Christians and become bigoted conservative, fundamentalist a-holes with no clue about reality and you really can't get much more corrupted than that) it does not have to be done intentionally.  Corruption is far more complex than that.

posted by kooka_lives on April 16, 2009 at 8:14 PM | link to this | reply

Re: RSM, you really like looking like an idiot

My conservative beliefs encourage abusive households in which women get beat due to their error in judgment, you say? Where did I ever say that. I never did nor do any of my beliefs ever include being abusive to anyone. You love to put labels on people, think up what only your small mind can see as how a conservative is. Your ideas and beliefs always make a fool of you!

I am at a complete loss at how your mind got twisted as bad as it did then again if daddy was a teenager in the sixties then HELLO I think I knw what went wrong! I was asking you questions. Did you see the question marks? Do you know what they mean? Let me try to explain everything again, geez!

You said "The more time you let your child roam this Earth, the more likely it is that your child's soul will get corrupted." Then in this reply to me you say, "I am then lost as to where you get the idea that I think anyone is out there wishing to do my children wrong." 

I do believe that if your child is corrupted then you can say your child was done wrong, get it? Can you understand that? Corruption is not a positive thing it is wrong, get it?

Nevermind, I do not have the time right now to go item by item of your self made rules and laws that mean nothing.

posted by RedStatesMan on April 16, 2009 at 6:15 PM | link to this | reply

Wings, glad to see you seem to be trying for a true exchange of ideas now
I very much understand the concept of 'age of accountability' and the ideas you present there of how you see it working.
 
The idea of them being 'exposed to sinful things' is 100% subjective.  Back in the days of the Bible you do know that it was accepted public family entertainment to watch public executions and tortures? Exposure of children to such events at that time was not considered sinful in the least.
 
There have been times when holding hands was considered sinful.  Of course eating pork and shrimp can be considered sinful.
 
Are you aware that about twenty years ago or so there was a huge jump in abortions in the Catholic community?  That is a community well know for trying to follow the logic you present here of not being exposed to 'sinful' things.  What was happening was that the young girls got it in their heads that using birth control was a deliberate sin (Basically planned out ahead of time) and that committing such sins were worse than what they viewed as a sin they committed due to necessity.  These girls were if anything overly sheltered from 'sinful things' and ended up committing the greater sins because of it.  I find that the proper exposure to 'sinful' things to be beneficial.  If you teach you child the possibilities and get them to understand that they are in control of their own actions (NO Devil of God or other such junk involved) then they will be more likely to make the right choices.  In fact the tactics you suggest about accepting Jesus seems to me to be more likely to get kids to commit 'sinful'' acts because it takes away a level of responsibility since all they have to do is accept the idea of Jesus and all will be forgiven. The ONLY thing they end up being accountable for is believe in Jesus, nothing else.  All those Catholics girls had to do was confess that they had abortions and all would end up being forgiven, because they believed in Jesus.
 
I'll not get into what is and is not 'murder' here.  I have always found it amazing at what is and is not justifiable death in the eyes of believers. However, you misunderstood what I was saying. Abortion is NOT an 'antidote' as you put it, for this nation's mistakes.  It is however a symptom of the greater ill. Due to the lack of properly educating our youth and teaching them ideas that allow them to NOT take responsibility for their actions while at the same time NOT giving them all the information they need to make truly informed decisions about their lives and their bodies, we have to have the option of abortions avaible.  When we have a segment of our population which openly treats pregnant teenagers and single women with contempt and calls them degrading names such as 'slut' and 'whore' which only serves to destroy their sense of self while and the same time opening them up to accepting abuse from those closet to them (There are far to many documented cases of young girls who got beat by their fathers or their boy friends because they got pregnant, and they allowed themselves to take such abuse and most likely would have been better off if they had gotten an abortion and been able to hide their error in judgment) we need to have extreme options available to make sure we do not fall to ruin as a society.  Now  understand I very much am aware that there are women out there who abuse this greatly and use abortions as their main form of birth control, which I am strongly against and would like to see some way to stop. It really should be just for issues in lapses of judgment where the girls is going to be better off without having to deal with negative cloud of judgment that very much does attached itself to their lives. The problem of course is that the way things have to work is that it is avaible for all who want it.  of course the true way to end the necessity of abortion is to focus on educating our youth correctly, openly talking about all forms of birth control, giving up the flawed concept of 'abstinence only' (Which has been proven to NOT work) and making sure they feel they have control over their lives so they end up feeling that they are responsible for their actions.  This will take a long time however, due to the extensive damage done by the sad need for so many to cling to outdated conservative ideas that have time and time again been proven to not work.
 
As a final example to you about why the ideas you presented here do not work, my wife was brought up with the ideas of keeping her away from 'sinful' influences.  You have no idea how much that messed her and her brother up.  She has made it clear how lucky she has been to have found me and that if not for finding me, due to her lack of being educated about her own body and the lack of self she had when we met, she very well could have ended up in a really bad relationship, much like the ones her mother and aunts got into. Of course all those marriage where to good Christian men.  My wife HATES her father due to all manner of things that would take far to long to write about here and feels that only one of her threes Aunts married a good man. The other two married men who had all manner of issue, including one who was truly disturbingly abusive, as he was protecting her from 'sinful' things.

posted by kooka_lives on April 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM | link to this | reply

RSM, you really like looking like an idiot
Right now if we let your moronic an outdated conservative ideas dominate our society, it would fall to ruin in no time at all.  If you want to see an end to abortions, you need to grow up and for once see the big picture.  I do not like abortions at all, but they are NOT the problem, but a symptom.  Due to the conservative ideas that do not teach responsibility and limit the actual information taught as well as twist facts and leaves out huge amounts information, we have to tolerate abortions in order to make sure our society does not crumble around us.
 
But you can't see the big picture, You don't want to se the big picture.  You want to judge everything as right or wrong from the get go, force young women to have babies, all the while degrading them as being sluts and destroying their sense of self esteem (Which is really what conservative fundamentalists ideas are all about), as well as encouraging abusive households in which these women get beat because of their error in judgments.  But you refuse to see all of that, which does happen and only helps to harm society.  Things are not all black and white and until you see the bigger picture, you will continue to make a fool of yourself.
 
Now to quickly address the dumb as it gets questions and remarks in your comment there.
 
The comment the inspired this post did not bother me. I found it amusing and it said a lot about the idea of God that believer worships.
 
What Hitler did really cannot be associated with abortions. You are stretching it big time to make such a connection and it only shows how desperate you are on this issue.  You obviously know you have nothing and are just pushing any buttons you can find.  That is being juvenile, which would seem to be yet another word that you do not understand the meaning of.
 
The Devil does not rule the world because the Devil is FICTIONAL.  Just as I fault God for nothing because he is also FICTIONAL, which would also be why I would never blame him for anything.  You give far too much credit to these fictional characters.
 
I am then lost as to where you get the idea that I think anyone is out there wishing to do my children wrong. I know my boys will at times meet people who will hurt them in some form, in fact  my oldest has been having problem with a bully at school and we have been working with him and school to handle the problem.  And I blame the boy's parents for the way he is acting. The quote you used never said anything like that at all.  Although admittedly I would be very happy if my boys never get involved with idiotic influences that produce thinking like yours.
 
What are you trying to suggest about all rapists and murderers? Unlike God and the Devil, they are real.  Of course the psychology of it is very complex for the most part.  A lot of what makes them do what they do is societal issues.  You area ware that all the most violent criminals were abused as children right?  You are aware that no one on death row was raised by a parent who did NOT spank their child?
 
When are you going to wake up and see the big picture and get even the slightest grasp on reality?  You obviously live in a dream word that ignores far to much of what is really going on around you and replaces it with a simple fantasy dominated by fictional characters.

posted by kooka_lives on April 16, 2009 at 2:59 PM | link to this | reply

TO KOOKA...

I suppose I'll not write in CAPS this time since it seems to be such a HUGE deal to everyone. Although I don't believe that you yourself have said anything about it. I'm not yelling in my typing. I just decided to leave my comments that way, I do it with everything I write almost. But anyway...

Lets focus on one thing at a time, I guess we'll go with abortion this time since thats the one I just read on your comment. I'll try to explain the "age of accountabiliy" to you that we're discussing. And I can very well explain it in a way you'll accept. But don't come at me and tell me that my statements appear to somehow be an indicator that I am "taking drugs" as you said, if you dont want me to "lash out at you" as you again said. Because I also have better things to be doing than to be told I am taking drugs and such things as that and so on, and blah blah. But anyway again,

The age of accountability does not mean that a child is better off dead than alive. And while I almost agree when you said "The more time you let your child roam this Earth, the more likely it is that your child's sould will be corrupt". Well, yes and no on that one. If a child, teenager, or whatever age, is exposed to sinful things, there is no doubt that those things will rub off on them. HOWEVER, if a child, teenager, or whatever age, is trained up in the Lord as the Bible says to do, then that child will (with hopes and prayers of the parents) will resist sin when they see it and will not involve themselves with such things.

Now the age of accountability is not a set age, such as 5, 6, 7, etc...It is different for everyone. For example, lets say John boy over here has grown up in a Christian family and has been to church and has such parents who train him in the Lord. Now lets say that Susie has parents who do not go to church, do not know the 1st thing about God or becoming a Christian. Little Susie isn't going to know what sin is or what it's not, because she has not been taught. It's not her fault she was born into a family who cared nothing for God. And if Susie died, Susie isn't going to Hell at that particular point in her life. On the other hand, back to John boy, he knows better, he's been taught, and even grew up in church, and when he sin's, he knows it. Now that's not to justify Susie's sin at all, but if you don't know something is sin, then you simply don't know its wrong. Now you know Susie's history, lets say a friend invited her to church and she went. The preacher preaches a message on salvation and what you must do to be saved, and on sin. At that point she knows she is a sinner. Let's say she rejects that truth the preacher preached. At that moment that she heard the truth she is ACCOUTABLE. If she died the next day having not accepting that truth she heard, then she would not make it to Heaven. Now the same goes for John boy over here. He has known the truth all of his life, and been to church and heard all the preaching and been disaplined by strict parents and so on. John boy may go to church with mom and dad, but if John boy doesn't accept the truth and be saved, he wouldn't make it to Heaven either. It's a matter of whether or not the Jesus is accepted by an indivdual or not. And of course an infant is not going to know what sin is (lets not be silly). Every person will give account for themselves. Every person will at some point also hear the truth. The decision to accept or decline that Jesus is Saviour is up to them. But everyone has a choice. Except the aborted babies of course, who do not know sin, nor have comitted any such thing. So aborted children are not going to Hell.

Abortion is wrong in every way, not just the "birth control form" as you spoke of. Its not the babies' fault that the mother chose to have a one night stand with some guy and get pregnant. It is not a "necessary evil" as you said. Abortion is not a "NEED" as you stated, it is MURDER. And it is one of the many abominations "Hands that shed innocent blood". How can you think that killing and chopping into pieces an innocent life, is the antidote for this nations mistakes? That makes no sense to me. So you are saying that the unborn baby becomes a sort of "whipping boy", and to shed innocent blood for the sake of somehow "fixing our society,". Murdering innocent babies won't change society. And the "doctors" who do this are nothing more than MURDERS.

And yes, life is important, and we've only one life to live. And that is why it is so important to get saved while you have the chance. Scripture says to seek him while he may be found.

posted by onwingsoflove on April 15, 2009 at 9:24 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Wings

Why are you obviously worried about this comment that was made to you? If you do not believe then why does it bother you? Is it that you are that juvenile? Of course it is, your response here scream out a juvenile thought process. You speak of religion and politics as if you have the mind of a 5 year old. Then again you are a liberal kooka.

"it is right now a necessary evil if we are to get our society on the right path."

Is that like Hitler's need to rid the world of Jews so that his society would be on the right path? That was one stupid remark. A necessary evil to kill children? What if your daddy would have thought the same? Where would you be? The Lord put you here for a reason that you obviously have no clue why. You spend all of your time dishing out blasphemy against God, Jesus and Christians. You have nothing to put your faith in except Man. You do not realize that the devil rules this world. You seem to fault God for some of mankind choosing not to follow Him. God forbid if one of your children were ever hurt by someone. What would you do? Blame God? You can't since you do not believe in Him. You simply chalk it up to "The more time you let your child roam this Earth, the more likely it is that your child's soul will get corrupted." That's it? Why do you think someone would be out there who wished to do your child wrong? You must think that they are just that way due to society? Then why is that? How do you think you have rapist and murderers in this world? Do you possibly get what I am talking about here, at all? Wake up! You are old enough now to realize what is going on.

posted by RedStatesMan on April 15, 2009 at 8:06 PM | link to this | reply

Wings
It is real easy to take the concept of 'age of accountability' and use it to back a pro-abortion stance.  By the rules you have now given me, every abortion is a GOOD thing because it is making sure those souls get into Heaven.  Since all life is supposedly is a time where we wait until we are judged by God, if we are to take what you have claimed at face value, then any time a child under the age of accountability is killed or dies then we should celebrate in knowing that the child's soul went to Heaven and that the child was never forced to risk his soul by being kept alive too long.

But I see life as having real meaning, and that we only get the one chance here on Earth to do anything. With no afterlife, that makes living life important.  Ideas such as 'Age of accountability' says life is not as important as afterlife and that there are all manner of loop hole sot get souls into Heaven.  Such ideas make life pointless and would suggest it is better to not let your children reach adulthood, let alone be born. Why take the risk that your child's soul my get corrupted and not get into Heaven. The more time you let your child roam this Earth, the more likely it is that your child's soul will get corrupted.

AS for my take on abortion, I dislike ti as a form of birth control, but due to the damage that has been done by conservative ideas in the lack of proper sex education and the proper teaching responsibility for one's actions, it is right now a necessary evil if we are to get our society on the right path. Once society as a whole is taught the right values in regards to sex and responsibility for their actions, we will see a decrease in the need for abortions.

posted by kooka_lives on April 15, 2009 at 4:52 PM | link to this | reply

preacher
That is not actually what the Bible says.  What you said was the generally agreed upon slant to the story by those who wish to see it a certain way.

Abel scarifies his herd sheep (Which makes no sense as to why he would have herd of animals at this point when there is next to no population so they wouldn't need a herd) and Cain gave the fruit for his farm and God preferred the sacrifices of sheep over those of fruit.  There is NOTHING there that say Cain gave with the wrong attitude.  Now alter on tehr eis refrance that syas Abel had a more excellent sacrifice than Cain because he was righteous and God made it so he had a more to give in sacrifice. That says that God was playing favorites right from the get go.

posted by kooka_lives on April 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM | link to this | reply

hey kooka, a short response cause ive got to run......

i have only had time to skim a couple of paragraphs here before i have to run out.

i have no idea what you are talking about with linking "the age of accountablity" to "abortion". i HATE abortion. i depise those murders or should i say "so-called doctors" who say that a child is not a child until a certain stage in the pregnancey. so if you are saying that you are against abortion, well amen, there is one thing we agree on,

got to go ill read the rest later.

posted by onwingsoflove on April 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM | link to this | reply

I will not debate sir, but i will say GOD did not play favorites, with CAIN OR ABEL, He chose ABELS sacrifice over CAINS because Able gave of his firstlings of the flock with the right heart attitude Cain gave with the wrong heart attitude. I am sorry you feel that way about GOD but try talking to him he loves you and wants to help you if you will allow him to. i will pray for you friend.  

posted by preacher43 on April 15, 2009 at 3:22 PM | link to this | reply

mariposa
If you look at and talk to the various groups of Christians one thing that becomes very clear is that they do not all worship the same God, no matter what their claims may be. And yet all versions of their ideas of God are based off the same set of stories. One of the big problems with the concept of God is that it is really easy to shape that concept the way you desire to see it.  People are going to take the Bible and find the meaning they wish to find in it and their idea of God will be shaped in the way they want to view God.

I do appreciate you expressing your beliefs in such a polite manner by the way.  I very much respect your beliefs and understand that they are something important to you.  Fro you to express them in a manner that is not degrading people who do not share your beliefs is something I wish I saw more of from believers.

This post was written out of frustration with a believer who's attitude and need to degrade any who did not see the world as she did was just getting too annoying.

posted by kooka_lives on April 15, 2009 at 3:10 PM | link to this | reply

I am not one to get into debates, and I don't want to still.  I have no idea what kind of christianity you've been exposed to.  I have been a christian for many years and I have not found God to be the way that you say.  I have come to know him through a multitude of experiences in my life.  I have found him to be good and kind.  He does not force anyone to worship him.  "The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth"  Exodus 34:6.  This is the God I have know. 

posted by mariposa75 on April 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM | link to this | reply