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Wings
Yes, let's move on past your misuse of English. You still need to grow up and not get offended over such things.  Now you are aware that 'heck', 'darn', 'dang'. poppycock' 'shoot' and the like are all equally swear words and if you are offend by BS, you really should be just as offended if someone says 'shoot', since it is just another word for 'shit'.

If someone told me the world was Square, I would study that and try to figure out hwy the would believe such a thing.  By better understand ideas that you do not agree with it helps you better understand the bigger picture.  And by figuring out why people believe as they do or act as they do, help you better understand people.  You are trying to talk about stuff, such as Pagan rituals, without knowing the first thing about Pagans.  You have made yourself look foolish by trying to claim they held orgies for their Easter celebration, when they NEVER did such a thing.  if you went and studied the actual history and beliefs (Instead of the misinformation of the Christian Church) of the Pagans you would know this and when you talked about them you would not make a fool of yourself by stating false information.  I am not about to make a fool of myself when I get into a discussion about Christianity.  And the thing is you have made ti clear that I know the Bible better than you do.

Now the real reason as to why this concept is so hard for you to understand is because you have already made it crystal clear that you do not wish to expose yourself to any knowledge that does not fully agree with your own religious ideas before hand.  The idea of honestly looking and studying at religious ideas that might not agree with your own seems to scare you and you do all you can avoid the possibility that you might learn some fact that says something your were taught by your church could be in error.

Uhh, student very often help their teachers. Assistants helps those they work for.  You analogy falls apart from the get go on this issue. The Bible is filled with passages that talk about how the women is to be submissive to the man because he is her better in all ways.  I am not sexist in this, the Bible is.  I do not agree with what the Bible says about women.  According to the Bible you are the property of your father and then your husband.  You are never your own person, but a piece of property.

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
Do I need to find more for you that says the Bible is sexist and that if you really wanted to follow its teachings, we would not be having this exchange?

You kind of lost me with your homosexual point when you said I was contradicting myself. Please show me where I did this.  Since I do not believe God made man or woman, your point has no relevance to the issue.  We were talking about the point of sex.  You said you were against Homosexuals because their sexual activity cannot produce offspring.  Well the sexual activity of my wife and I cannot produce offspring, so if sex is only about having offspring, my wife and I are wrong for having it now and are not better than homosexuals. I never said anything talked about who should be submissive to who.  I believe in equal relationships myself.  I treat my wife with much more respect than the Bible say a man should give to his wife.
 
And it is clear that I understand the Bible far better than you do.  You only understand it from a point of view where you have been told how to understand it.  That is very clear to me.  I need not believe in God to understand what the Bible is saying.  Not being brain washed by the church, I can see what it says clearer than those who have been brain washed to ignore much of what it is really saying.
 
Please give some links to actual examples of atheists on their death beds screaming out for forgiveness.  It is pure propaganda and you are not going to find any verifiably accurate accounts of this happening.
 
No, you are very much using scare tactics when you bring up Hell.  Hell is the ultimate scare tactic and if you are trying to say I need to believe as you do because otherwise I am going to Hell, there is no other way to take such a  comment.  It is a scare tactic.  Reading about Heaven is much scarier than Hell.  Hell doesn't make any sense at all and just doesn't bother me in the least really since it sounds like a weak scary story that a kid might make up around a campfire. While Heaven is basically a forced lobotomy where everything that makes you who you are is taken away so that you just have mindless bliss. 
 
No, you clearly do not understand homosexuality. You see it as an abomination, which tells me you do not understand it.  And you do not believe in it in the sense that you do not feel it to be a justifiable lifestyle.  You clearly believe that it happens. And YOU BELIEVE that it is wrong, just because of what is in the Bible. Well, the Bible also says it is wrong to wear fabric of two different materials.  You should go and check your closet now to see how much you have been sinning with your wardrobe.  And nature does NOT teach us that homosexuality is wrong.  There are other animals outside of man who practice homosexuality.
 
My own sexual preferences are none of your business.  For all you know I have already been with a man and loved every moment of it.  Or because the actions of two consenting adults are none of my business, maybe I have enough respect for the idea of freedom that I just have never cared about trying to put others down for the way they feel they need to live their lives in order to be happy.
 
I wish I could remember the verse, but at some point God openly warns against gatherings similar to church.  In Exodus, God punishes people for leaving their houses on the Sabbath
 

Exodus 16:23-30:

"This is what the LORD commanded: 'Tomorrow is to be a day of rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.'" So they saved it until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not stink or get maggots in it. "Eat it today," Moses said, "because today is a Sabbath to the LORD. You will not find any of it on the ground today. Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any." Nevertheless, some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather it, but they found none. Then the LORD said to Moses, "How long will you refuse to keep my commands and my instructions? Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out." So the people rested on the seventh day.

So it is clear that God does not want you to leave your house on the Sabbath.  Going to church is against God's will and is sinful. Unless you wish to pick and choose as you please from the Bible.

My mind has been seared by a hot iron...?  What drugs are you on girl?  I am clearly a far more rational thinker than you just proven by the fact that you made such a statement.

I don't really care if a book of fiction, such as the Bible, calls me a fool.  That has always been one of the weakest and silliest arguments believers keep trying to use.

Then you really just start to make no sense at all as you finish up in that comment.

I'm a follower because I like to watch lesbians?  And that is because I have talked to women who have said they find the female body more attractive to look at than the male body?  Your conclusion there makes no sense at all.

Then I have studied the science behind evolution and it makes sense, so I follow it.  I would not follow it if it did make sense.  I have studied the Bible and it does NOT make sense, so I do not follow it.  By your logic I should follow nothing, not even the Bible, or I am a follower. The only way to not be a follower I guess is to invent your own set of beliefs starting from a point of no knowledge about anything.  Once more your conclusion just doesn't work rationally.

 And to answer your easy questions about evolution, we are still evolving, it just takes millions of years for any noticeable changes to take place.   Man and monkey share a common ancestors, but man did not evolve from monkeys.  Now there is no path to evolution,  monkeys will never evolve into man because it just does not work that way.  Those were all way too easy of questions to answer if you understood and have done any real studying of evolution.


posted by kooka_lives on April 13, 2009 at 3:35 PM | link to this | reply

Re: TO XENO-X
ONE THIEF DID, AND ONE DID NOT. THE ONE WHO TEMPTED THE LORD AND "IF YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD COME DOWN FROM THE CROSS" THE THEIF WHO DEFENDED THE LORD, DID HOWEVER GO TO HEAVEN ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE. I WAS REFERRING TO THE THIEF THAT TEMPTED THE LORD, NOT THE OTHER ONE. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

posted by onwingsoflove on April 13, 2009 at 10:26 AM | link to this | reply

onwingsoflove -- about the thieves crucified with Jesus
you said a thief didn't go to Heaven.

then how do you explain

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Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


posted by Xeno-x on April 13, 2009 at 6:17 AM | link to this | reply

KOOKA, YOU JUST DONT GET IT DO YOU...

IM GOING TO STOP TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE "IMPLICATION OF THE CURSE WORD" POST TO YOU. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT, AND YOU MAY TAKE IT HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE. IM GLAD YOU FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHICH ABREVIATION I WAS SPEAKING OF, AND YES I AM AN ADULT WHO DOENS'T LIKE MY LORD BEING DISRESPECTED. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO IMPLY THE WORDS, DO IT UNDER A DIFFERENT CATEGORY...MOVING ON...

AND YOU ARE STILL MAKING NO SENSE TO ME REGARDING WHY YOU WOULD STUDY SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN. YOUR RESPONSE WAS "TO UNDERSTAND IT". THAT WOULD BE LIKE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE EARTH IS A SQUARE AND ALL THE WHILE KNOWING THAT ITS ROUND. AND WHY WOULD I WANT TO TRY AND FIND THE TRUTH WHEN IVE ALREADY FOUND IT. WHY WOULD I LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE?

IN REFERENCE TO YOUR SEXIST COMMENT WHICH I BELIEVE YOU ARE REFERING TO THE SCRIPTURE STATING "THAT GOD IS HEAD OVER THE CHURCH AND THE MAN IS THE HEAD OVER THE WOMAN, AND THE WOMAN SHOULD REVERENCE HER HUSBAND" AND THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT MEN KNOW IT ALL AND WOMEN ARE STUPID. AS YOU SHOULD RECALL IN GENISUS, GOD SAID THAT "THE WOMAN WAS GIVEN TO THE MAN AS A HELP MEET FOR HIM." SO WITH THAT SAID, WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO IS SOOOOO SMART NEED HELP? THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE STUDENT HELPING THE TEACHER, WOULD IT NOT? GOD WENT FURTHER TO SAY THAT "IT IS NOT GOOD FOR MAN TO BE ALONE". SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE GUYS NEED US AFTER ALL HUH?

REGARDING YOUR AGREEMENT WITH HOMOSEXUALITY, NOTICE ALSO THAT GOD MADE A WOMAN FOR ADAM AND NOT A MAN. AND THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE YOU CONTRADICTING YOURSELF YET AGAIN. BECAUSE IF BOTH ARE MEN IN A RELATIONSHIP, THEN WHO'S SUPPOSED TO REVERENCE THE OTHER ONE, AND THE SAME QUESTION WOULD APPLY TO A LESBIAN COUPLE.HMMM... AND FURTHERMORE, YOU YOURSELF CANNOT IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE BETTER THAN A FEMALE OR A MAN OR A PRIMATE FOR THAT MATTER. THE BIBLE IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED, AND GUESS WHAT? YOU DO NOT HAVE GODS SPIRIT LIVING IN YOU, SO THEREFORE, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT PERIOD.

THE ATHEIST YOU ASKING ABOUT SAYING"HOW WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT SOMEONE WAS THINKING ON THEIR DEATH BED" THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS SIMPLE...THEY WERE SCREAMING FOR MERCY, NOT MERELY "THINKING ABOUT IT". AND YES, IT'S HAPPENED.

I AM USING NO "SCARE TACTICS" REGARDING HELL. I DON'T HAVE TO. IF YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD THE BIBLE(WHICH IS AN IMPOSSIBLE THING FOR YOU TO DO ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE) THEN READING ABOUT HELL IS SCARY IN ITSELF.

ALSO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IN HOMOSEXUALITY NOR UNDERSTAND IT? I UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETLY, AND IT IS INFACT AN ABOMINATION, I DO BELIEVE IT IS GOING ON AND UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT AND SICKNESS OF IT AS WELL. IM TELLING YOU IT IS WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT "EVEN NATURE ITSELF TEACHES THAT THESE THINGS ARE NOT NATURAL".SO YES, I KNOW WHAT THEY DO, BUT IT IS INFACT SIN. UNFORTUANTLY YOUR EYES CANT SEE PAST THE LUST OF YOUR OWN FLESH. CAREFUL, YOU MAY END UP LIKE THEM. WOULD YOU HAVE INTIMANT RELATIONS WITH ANOTHER MAN?

IN REFERENCE TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT "GOD SAYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT GO TO CHURCH" TRY THIS VERSE ON FOR SIZE: HEBREWS 10:25 "NOT FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER, AS THE MANNER OF SOME IS; BUT EXHORTING ONE ANOTHER: AND SO MUCH THE MORE AS WE SEE THE DAYS APPROACHING."

FURTHER MORE, YOUR MIND IS NOT RATIONAL AS YOU SO OFTEN SPEAK SO HIGHLY OR YOURSELF. YOUR MIND HOWEVER, HAS BEEN SEARED WITH A HOT IRON, AS THE BIBLE WOULD STATE.

GOOD FOR YOUR WIFE THAT AT LEAST SHE BELIEVES THEIR IS A GO- UNLIKE YOU. BUT SAD FOR YOUR WIFE THAT ONLY BELIEVING THAT THERE'S A GOD WON'T IN NO WAY SAVE HER.AND GOD SAYS"IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU'LL KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" AND IF ONE THINKS THAT THE BIBLE IS FOOLISHNESS THEN OBVIOUSLY THE COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT BEING KEPT. "THE FOOL SAYS IN HIS HEART THERE IS NO GOD" SO I GUESS ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, THAT MAKES YOU A FOOL DOESN'T IT? AS FOR YOUR CHILDREN, I HOPE THEY DON'T FOLLOW IN EITHER OF THOSE PATHS.

LASTLY, IM NOT ASKING YOU TO FOLLOW ME AT ALL. IM NOT ANYTHING. AND IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE LORD SAVING A WRETCH LIKE ME, I WOULD BE WELL ON MY WAY TO HELL MYSELF. AND THE COMMENT I MADE REGARDING YOU BEING A FOLLOWER, WAS REGARDING THE LESBIANS. AS YOU STATED THAT YOU HAD TALKED TO OTHER WOMEN AND THEY SAID THEY'D RATHER LOOK AT A WOMANS BODY THAN A MAN'S. (IS THAT YOUR ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY YOURSELF?) ALSO, YOU FOLLOW THE "FACTS" OF MANKIND. MONKEYS? SERIOUSLY. IT IS SO RIDICULOUS COMING FROM ANYONE MOUTH. I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS.IF MAN EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS, THEN WHY AREN'T THEY STILL EVOLVING? THERE ARE STILL MONKEYS OUT THERE CORRECT? WHY AREN'T THEY CHANGING INTO MEN? HMMM... NOW THERES A THOUGHT TO PONDER...

 

 

 

posted by onwingsoflove on April 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM | link to this | reply

Wings, you need to learn English it would seem
Here is the full sentence for you to read over:
 
"Also, it is clear by the implication of your curse words and vulgar speech in your comment, that you are in no way representing Christ, or have any place to say anything at all."
 
The placement of the word 'implication' clearly is in reference to the part saying "that you are in no way representing Christ".  You are saying that by the use of curse words and vulgarity that I am implying that I do not represent Christ.  there is no other way to take that statement if one is using English. You are clearly NOT saying the curse words are implied, but are literally there. Please do not try to rewrite the rules of English here just because you said something foolish. Accept it, admit your error and move on.
 
I just reread my comment and finally found what it is that is upsetting you.  I am so sorry I said BS at some point.  Abbreviating it makes it so it is NOT a curse word.  I could just say bull-honky from now on if that would make you feel better or maybe bull-poo.  I find it rather silly to be dealing with a supposed adult who has an issue with the abbreviation of BS.
 
Now why would I study something I don't believe in?  Well to understand it.  I am a writer and I wish to understand as much of the world as is possible.  I have studied at least the basic ideas of as many religions as possible.  And since Christianity is such a powerful religion in my country, I am going to study it more than the others.  I just do not wish to be illiterate.  It would be silly of me to have decided on a spiritual path without having and understand of the possibilities that are out there.  If all one knows is one set of beliefs that they have been taught without exposure to any others, then their belief in that faith is questionable and they most likely do not understand their own beliefs as well as they should.  I can honestly say I understand what I believe in and why I believe as I do, with the full knowledge that I have looked with an open mind at many of the other spiritual concepts that are out there.  Can honestly you say the same thing?
 
I question just how well you understand scripture actually.  You are aware that according to this grand scripture, you should not be talking to any man but your husband (OR father, which ever one owns you) about what is said in the Bible.  According to you precious scripture, you are not as smart as me and  you are not going to be unable to understand the Bible as well I am able to.  But that of course is only if one wishes to follow the teachings of the Bible.  For you to ignore this while using the idea that God thinks homosexuality is an abomination is you picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to follow
 
Since there is no God, then I have nothing at all to worry about with you sick fantasy of judgment day.  That idea alone displays a disturbing trend of humanity.  It is just sick and wrong.
 
And I for some reason do not believe you about there being a lot of atheists who have suddenly begged God for mercy on their death beds.  How many atheists have you been with when they were dying?  and how could anyone know what someone who has died is thinking? That sounds a lot like a load of pure propaganda to me.
 
And your scare tactics are not going to work on me.  I am not afraid of Hell.  If anything I am more afraid of Heaven, what a nightmare of a place that sounds like.  But of course the Idea of Hell proves that the Bible is wrong at some point about God.  If there is a Hell, then God cannot be all-loving and all-powerful.  For there to be a Hell one of those has to be not true.  If both are true, then there would be no Hell.
 
Sorry, but belief in provable science is not ignorance.  There is more evidence and facts out there to back up the concept of evolution than there is to defend the concept of God or the Bible.  My guess is that you are ignorant about the facts of evolution because you have no wish to learn facts that might disagree with your beliefs. Self-imposed ignorance is not a justifiable way to defend your beliefs.
 
This all started because you had spread misinformation about Easter.  Is that the right thing to do?  And here you are defending it by saying YOU need not have to look at any form of evidence that might prove you wrong because... Well because you have already decided that it can't be right.  Is that the right thing to do? None of that sounds like following what you have preached here.  I am not even going into the personal attacks you have made on my character.
 
Yes, I talk about things I do not believe in.  What is wrong with that?  I wish to understand the world better.  You talk about homosexuality and yet say you do not believe in it.  You criticize Paganism, when you clearly do not even understand it at all, alone believe in it.  At least when I talk about things I do not believe in, it is with the respectful idea of understanding them better and not just bad mouthing them because I dislike them.
 
No, I do not fear God. I do not fear fictional characters.
 
You went to church on a Sunday, so you ARE participating in the Traditions of man.  God at no point in the Bible says you should go to church.  You are suppose to stay HOME on the Sabbath and do next to nothing.  But that is only if you actually follow the whole of the Bible, and not just pick and choose form it what to follow. Church is 100% purely a man made concept, with nothing in the way Biblically to justify it.
 
The you go into another sad attempt at the weak and out dated scare tactics.  Give that up already.  It doesn't work on a rational mind. In truth if I am wrong and God is going to judge me, I would rather have the defense that I was honest about who I was and what I believed and never let fear turn me into a liar and claim to believe something that I was unable to believe. What is more important to God? Someone showing integrity by living their life to what they believe or playing it safe and lying about what you believe just because you are afraid of the possibilities?  
 
And don't drag my family into this.  That was really sad.  You don't know what they believe in.  My wife actually does believe in God, but she understands the foolishness of church and cannot take the Bible seriously.  And we won't know what either of my boys believe in until they are old enough to figure that out for themselves.
 
Then you really loose me.  You are saying I am going along with my beliefs because everyone else is and that I am a follower.... Where did you come up with such nonsense.  I know of no single atheist who was 'converted' by other atheists and since it is a small portion of the population, not everyone else is doing it. All the atheists I know found it on their own path, as did I. Why would listening to you and following what you are telling me I should believe in make me a leader?  That makes no sense at all and is about the weakest argument you make here.  You want me to lie about who I am and what I believe in and let you tell me what to think and somehow that will make me a leader... yeah, you might want to look at that and try to understand just how contradictory such a statement is.

posted by kooka_lives on April 12, 2009 at 6:57 PM | link to this | reply

Re:
AMEN PREACHER, AMEN!

posted by onwingsoflove on April 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM | link to this | reply

I REALLY WISH I COULD DRAW YOU A PICTURE...

Gee, by using the word "implication" in my comment pretty much sums up my statement to you regarding "It is clear by the implication of your curse word" .DEFINITION-YOU IMPLIED A CURSE WORD BY ABBREVIATING IT! I refuse to type and repeat what you implied, and stoop to your level that lacks all common sense.

Also, WHY WOULD YOU STUDY SOMETHING YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN? You say you've studied the Bible, why waste your time (as you stated you wouldn't do) You contradict yourself often. And I have infact used a lot to Scripture here, and I have every right too, I actually BELIEVE what I am saying. You're just spouting of things you know NOTHING about. And by the way, this Scripture that you are so quick to make fun of and disregard (and then somehow try and use it in a discussion at your sad attempt to make a point and contradict yourself by doing so) is INFACT THE SAME SCRIPTURE THE GOD OF HEAVEN WILL JUDGE YOU BY ON JUDGEMENT DAY!

I got some news for you, there is a GOD, and a HEAVEN and a HELL. And if you're not careful, you'll end up in Hell. There have been many atheist who suddenly changed their mind while on their death bed. Thats right, all of a sudden, oh, they believe in God when it's time to beg for His mercy. But at that point it is to late. Mercy has then run out. And when in Hell, they remember the Christians who tried to warn them but they refused to heed to them. They will then be humbled and brought down to NOTHING.

Do you seriously want to die that way? Do you embrace Hell? Do you wish to burn, and burn, and fall into outer darkness forever and ever? Do you want to be tormented for all eternity? It is ultimately YOUR choice. And if that's where you want to go, then no one will stop you. But, I tell you this, you'll have all memory, all senses, everything will be on fire. Everything will be hurting. You'll be in utter torment. The Bible speaks of MANY torments, not just one. And I pray this doesn't happen to you. I pray that God makes you completely miserable on this Earth until you do something about the current condition of your soul. I hope you haven't gone to far already. God only puts up with so much. But you are right about one thing, 'Hell is nightmarish". Heaven is not, I don't know where you pulled that out from.

As for your belief in evolution, you can believe that you were somehow derived from a monkey all you want, if you'd like that to be your extended family, go for it. All of these scientist may have a degree, but boy are they ever IGNORANT.

WHERE IN THE WORLD DID YOU GET YOUR OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT ABOUT GOD BEING AGAINST CHRISTIANS GATHERING TOGETHER AND WORSHIPPING HIM? THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS JUST THE OPPOSITE. "FORSAKE NOT THE ASSEMBLING OF YOURSELVES TOGETHER, AND DO IT EVEN MORE SO AS YOU SEE THE LAST DAYS APPROACHING" HOWS THAT? ALSO, JESUS WAS ALWAYS GOING TO THE TEMPLE TO TEACH, AND CROWDS IN COUNTLESS NUMBERS SURROUNDED HIM. YOU REALLY SHOW YOUR LACK OF INTELLIGENCE HERE, BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU DON'T CLAIM TO BE OF THE HUMAN RACE ANYWAY.

Also, yes I proclaim what IS right, but I also practice what I preach. While you however talk about something you DO NOT even believe in-are you serious? Furthermore, Jesus taught about His Father. And gave all Glory to the Father. He also asked one of the thieves on the cross, "Do you not fear God?" Sounds kind of like you doesn't it? Because if you feared Him, you would not tempt Him as you do (just as that thief did). By the way, that thief did NOT go to Heaven.

And yes, I did go to church today, as I do every Sunday(not just because it's Easter) I did not participate in the "traditions" of man as I stated I would not such as hunting aimlessly for an egg. I did however worship and reverence my Lord for what took place on the cross some 2000 years ago, which I also do everyday, and not just on Easter. "LET EVERYTHING THAT HATH BREATH PRAISE THE LORD" Sounds like something Christians should do huh?

I sincerely feel sorry for you. I have never spoken to someone as deceived as you are. You think that you just die and thats it? I don't understand your way of thinking. And whats even worse is the fact that your family will follow you. What will you do on judgment day with you family's blood dripping from your hands? And to know that you led them straight there. What a horrible feeling that would be for someone.

Have you ever read about the rich man in the Bible? When he got to Hell he told of how he was tormented in the flames there. And he begged for just one drop of water. And he wanted someone to go and warn his 5 brothers to get saved and turn from their wicked ways. That same rich man is still burning there as we speak.

You need to examine yourself-not scientific "facts". Your one of those people who are just "doing it" because everyone else is doing it. You are a follower. Why not be a leader? What a testimony it would be if you got right with the Lord. That would be an awesome thing to happen. You would be a completely different person. Your children could have a praying father, and you wife would have a Christian husband.

Why do you tempt the Lord so? Be careful. God sometimes works in drastic ways to get peoples attention.

I would choose my words wisely if I were you. I pray that you will one day be saved.

 

 

 

 

posted by onwingsoflove on April 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM | link to this | reply

Wings
To your first comment here:

Please leave such comment in the comment sections they belong in so that there is no confusion as to what exchange they are connected to.

However you did say "it is clear by the implication of your curse words and vulgar speech in your comment".  How is that saying I implied a curse word?  You are saying I used one and that the implication was that I was not representing Jesus.So I am putting no words in your mouth there, you said I used curse words in my comment and I did not even imply them and would be interested to know what you thought I was wanting to say yet didn't.  Trust me, if I want to say curse words to a person here on Blogit, I will say them.  Please don't try to go back and redefine your words after they are clearly said with me, I have dealt with far too many believers who try such tactics and it only shows a flaw in the arguments.
 
I never once said I was representing Christ in any way at all.  And I have thrown around far less scripture here than you have. I would put forth that challenge that when it comes to the Bible that I most likely know as much, if not more about what it says than you do.  Just because I do not follow it  or agree with your and other believers ideas concerning does not mean I am clueless about it.  If anything since I have gone and studied it without anyone looking over my shoulder to tell me how I am suppose to interpret what it says, my understanding of it is most likely clearer than yours.
 
If that only thing that matters is what the Bible says, then you should NOT be going to church since God clearly warns AGAINST such gatherings and never once sanctions the concept of church. And that is the kind of fact I try to get people like you to grasp. 
 
 How can anyone who is capable of rational thought not believe in evolution?  It just makes way too much sense and there is far too much undeniable evidence of it out there. I have known a good deal of believers who are rational enough to grasp this and are able to see that it easily works itself into the Bible, since they understands it just doesn't make sense to take the whole thing literally.
 
Yes, when you die it is just over. No Heaven or Hell.  Both concepts are nightmarish. I could never understand how the concept of Heaven could be appealing to anyone.  All you got is what you do here on Earth in this one life and when you die you are just done with it all. Knowing that just helps me feel that life has purpose and that what we do in this life matters.
 
Okay, you are still WRONG about what the Pagans did for Easter, more accurately just called the Spring Equinox by them.  The orgy you describe has never ocean been a part of any Pagan celebrations.  You do not seem to grasp the simple fact that what you are saying here is pure misinformation. While Pagan ideas are much more sexually open than Christian's and the Romans were big into orgies, those orgies themselves were not really part of any of their celebrations.  What you stated felt like something you found on a fundamentalist website that has little if any truth behind it.
 
Would you find it more respectful for a person to watch as you spread misinformation as if it were truth, making yourself look like a fool and they say nothing?  Read my first comment again.  I was actually begin very polite in trying to get you to see what you were doing. At no point did I make any comments suggesting you did this knowingly or that you made it up yourself.  Everyone makes poor judgments at some point or another. I have done the same thing with people who spread propaganda I would like to believe. If it is not true, then my integrity (Which I do ask that you not blindly question again since I do that take as being a  very direct attack against me personally)tells me that I need to point that out to the person and hope they do the right thing.
 
I made the comment about you not representing Christ because it seems you are far more focused on being right than doing right.  When you study the teachings of Christ you see that he was much more concerned with doing right than proving to anyone that he was right. And I think Jesus was not the son of God, because well, there is no God.  The God if the Bible is filled with anger over everything, so it actually goes the other way in that Jesus did not get pissed off at every turn that makes it seem he is unlikely the son of the Biblical idea of God.
 
No, your post is far from being accurate.  I have studied the Bible and Pagan beliefs and I know that what you have said here is very inaccurate.  I get my facts from history and actual sources of knowledge.  The Bible itself contains very little in actual, provable facts.  If you wish to claim that to be the source of all your facts, then that still does not back up much of what you claim in your post.  Most of what you said in the post could NOT have come from the Bible.
 
It is the tradition of man that has placed Easter as being today.  if you are doing any celebrating of Easter today, then you are going against what you are calming here.  It is man's idea to celebrate Easter to begin with and has nothing to do with God's desires or will at all.
 
And Halloween actually has little in the way of Pagan ideas connected to it.  Both Christmas and Easter are really more Pagan than Halloween in the traditional activities that are still practiced now days.
 
And whenever I see someone has double posted, I go a head a delete one of those posts.
 
I gotta get going and join my family in Pagan rituals now.  My boys and my nieces are going to hunt for Easter eggs at my Aunt's house.



To you second comment:

That I will not argue with, even if I do not follow your beliefs.  You phrased the in a manner which says 'This is what I believe' without insulting those who do not agree with you.  Nothing there was any form of propaganda or misinformation, but all your own personal beliefs.  When you state such in a respectful manner, such as that second comment was, I can very much respect that and accept such as being your beliefs about such ideas.  If you can present your ideas in that fashion more often, we should be able to get along much better here.

posted by kooka_lives on April 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM | link to this | reply

preacher43
That is the justification for it, but that is not what I have seen in churches and what is practiced openly in denial by countless Christians. In the old Testament God seems to be warning his followers to NOT carves things to use as symbols to represent him. There God makes it clear there that such things are graven images.

posted by kooka_lives on April 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM | link to this | reply

RSM
No you don't.  But you then again you've never been able to defend any claim you have ever made.  So you taking the easy way out is no surprise at all there.

Of course the most interesting part to that attitude is that you seem to think that anyone who does not believe as you do has to defend their beliefs and when they do, no matter how much logic reasoning and out right facts they use, you still refuse to acknowledge their rights to their beliefs. You don't care in the least about doing what is right, only about being told by everyone else how right you are.

posted by kooka_lives on April 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM | link to this | reply

it could have been a "Y", not a cross used for crucifixion
the cross shape is a powerful symbol dating probably to the dawn of human perception.  It signifies the four cardinal directions, with a circle, the cosmos.

Early Christians used a fish symbol rather than a cross to represent their religion (fishers of men).  The cross came along over a century (gotta look it up) after the events of the New Testament.

Like representations of Jesus (on 1st, 2nd century C.E. catacomb walls, it was a young ma with swarthy complexion and short, black hair and shaven face), later church figures decided on representations more or less foreign to those early followers.

Like the holidays and such, much was borrowed from outside the original paradigm, nature religions and even older.


posted by Xeno-x on April 12, 2009 at 6:48 AM | link to this | reply

YOU DONT WORSHIP THE CROSS  YOU WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST WHO DIED ON THE CROSS FOR ALL SINS.

posted by preacher43 on April 12, 2009 at 5:51 AM | link to this | reply

Try And Defend?
I do not have to defend any belief that myself and my family practice. End of comment.

posted by RedStatesMan on April 11, 2009 at 8:40 PM | link to this | reply

Well what do you know, we do agree on something...
I do agree with the part about praying TO the cross itself. Because the cross as an image can do nothing for anyone. But it is however a symbol of redemption, and a reminder of what Christ did for us. And anyone who worships or prays to the cross itself as a graven image is infact in the wrong. "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." God isn't a cross or a grave or a Hail Mary or anything of that nature. I do not worship the cross itself, but I will forever be thankful  that He endured such suffering, shame, and pain on it to save my soul from Hell. There is a difference between cherishing the old rugged cross and seeing it as an idol.

posted by onwingsoflove on April 11, 2009 at 8:17 PM | link to this | reply

HERE WE GO...

First of all... I did not say that you WERE cursing, I said you implied them...and you did with your abbreviations, so do not put words in my mouth. You might as well have said them, you were thinking them. And the Bible says that "Out of the abundance of a mans heart he speaketh". So if you are going to abbreviate the curse words you might as well spell out the whole thing. I do however appreciate the fact that you did not do that in your response in this most recent response comment.

Furthermore, It is clear that you aren't representing Christ in anyway, my point to you was that you should not be throwing random Scripture around to try and defend something you could care less about. The Bible isn't a "spare tire" you can't just take it out and use it when ever you feel you need it. You shouldn't pretend to know something about something you know nothing about.

Also, Yes, I do go to church, and have been for a very, very long time. And these "facts" you speak of (as you stated that I am doing myself such an injustice not reading ) are pointless for me to read when the only thing in this world that matters is what the Bible says. It's the only truth. Man can give all of the "facts" they want, but MAN is not God. MAN also believes that we came from monkeys, and they have so-called "facts" to back that up as well. I pray that you don't believe in evolution. I am curious as to what you do believe in though-seriously. Because you stated that you'll not waste your time with religion, so then do you just think when you die that it's over, and there is no Heaven or Hell. I really am interested in you beliefs. I know it is completely off of this current subject, but still I'd like to know.

I am well aware that not everyone who gets pregnant does so by the means of "fornication", however, speaking on the pagan issue with Easter, that's exactly what they did-they had sex with every female possible as fast as they could, with as many as they could in order to get them pregnant-God by the way, HATES this paganism.

I do enjoy Christmas and Easter, so don't get me wrong on that. But I choose to enjoy these holidays by simply acknowledging why they are what they are, and why we should celebrate them. And celebrating the TRUE meaning of them have nothing to do with eggs, bunnies, trees, or gold and silver ornaments. So why waste your time with something so vain? Something that doesn't matter.

You also stated that you were respectful to me in your first post, but I highly disagree with you. Telling me that I am spreading propaganda is hardly respectful. You also stated that you think I am not representing Christ because of my reply to you from your first post...Sure I'm going to get angry when my faith and my God are attacked. And I have every right to be angry, and there is nothing at all wrong with me defending my Lord. If you recall...Jesus was angry several times in the Bible. He flipped over the money changers table because they were buying and selling at the church. He said they made His house a den of thieves. He has also called some "Snakes and Vipers". So I assume, (in your eyes) you probably think that Jesus was not the Son of God because He got angry and defended His Father.It looks like to me that I am well able to defend the truth, and I will continue to do so. And if I didn't, I would be the one in the wrong.

And furthermore, EVERYTHING in my post IS ACCURATE. Perhaps you are the one who needs to did a litter deeper in YOUR research. We can go back and forth on this forever and a day, but it seems to me that you're the one who lacks the integrity. You can't get your "facts" from man, facts must come from the Bible.

You're more than likely not to change you way of thinking and I will certainly NOT change mine based on what MAN thinks. MAN thinks alot of things, but they'll soon find that they were wrong.

In addition, the "traditional activities" you spoke of are exactly what you said they were...a tradition. "Doing it because everybody else is doing it." This is the majority of the world view. But the road to Hell is wide and so is the gate, but I choose to be on the straight and narrow myself. The one that does not include the traditions of MAN.

Also, you spoke of Halloween, and I've got lots of info. for you on that one. That is nothing but PAGANISM. It's scary too. And if you think what those people did was right, then I question YOUR integrity. So I suppose we will be butting heads, but that's ok, I don't mind a bit. So thanks for the warning, I'll be looking forward to it.

Lastly, regarding the double post on your page, that was an accident. I left out a word in my response and tried to fix it with a copy and paste, and then it would not let me delete it.

posted by onwingsoflove on April 11, 2009 at 8:08 PM | link to this | reply