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Zenmom - worth considering to the extent that it fosters more thought
I qualified it by saying this: " . . . call it a "propagating event notion", if premised soundly . . . "
Instead of space aliens mating with our predecessors, how about a meteorite containing a small amount of organic material introduced to the Earth's environment for the first time? The notion of a propagating event is no longer as ridiculous sounding if it is premised upon something that we know happens (meteors entering the Earth's atmosphere) and relies on, as its precursor, something that is entirely possible. As for aliens doing the hibbidy dibbidy with cavemen: if a list were made of the possible scenarios of how we came to be, I would have to put it just ahead of an omnipotent patriarch using his magical powers to will everything into existence . . .. but only just ahead.
posted by
gomedome
on February 16, 2009 at 9:24 PM
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Re: muley12 - That is interesting speculation, of which there are many more
gd - are you really saying that muley12's comment re: space aliens is worth consideration?
Those whom doubt evolution should probably be spending LESS time on blogit and more time educating themselves. They could start w/ Dawkins or at least check out sites other than blogit, i.e. http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/.
Again, I give you credit for fighting the fight. I wish I had your patience and dedication.
posted by
ZenMom
on February 16, 2009 at 6:50 PM
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muley12 - That is interesting speculation, of which there are many more
When I hear specifics of that type of speculation relayed without qualifiers as such, . . . I always wince a little bit.... But still, I am following you in the well founded implications you are making: call it a "propagating event notion", if premised soundly, it is worth at least a "look see" in terms of our interest.
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gomedome
on February 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM
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Very interesting
I have always been an evolutionist, but it does not account for the "missing link". Erik Von Danekan (sp) in his book "Chariots Of the Gods?" hypothesized that space aliens mated with or genetically altered the ape-people of the time to create modern man. He is not alone in these beliefs; others say parts of the bible talk of this. I myself, do not know the truth.
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muley12
on February 14, 2009 at 2:10 PM
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Interesting & informative!
posted by
ash_pradhan
on February 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM
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womeninthegap - The holy trinity idea can be traced to paganism and Mithra
There are a handful of stone reliefs which predate the time of Christ that are still in existence today, corroborating the origins of the idea. I have a link to an image of one such carving but feel I must warn of the content of the site first. Simply put; the underlying argument and many of the points made in the article accompanying the image are exaggerated:
HERE
posted by
gomedome
on February 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM
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TAPS. - thank you
I do not have a background in science (I wish argee was still around to back me up) but I find the things you mention extremely interesting as well.
posted by
gomedome
on February 14, 2009 at 12:17 PM
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mousehop - a link to add to your last comment
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posted by
gomedome
on February 14, 2009 at 11:32 AM
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Soul_Builder101 - that's a statement typical of an uneducated religionist
Are you aware that the missing link you refer to is an 150 year old speculation which is today irrelevant to the validity of the scientific theory of evolution? Still, our common ancestry with apes has been corroborated irrefutably through the use of DNA. It is not a matter of belief, it is fact pure and simple. And again; man evolving from apes is merely the most popular notion of our origins. Considering that evolution is non directional and does not always entail added complexity or sophistication, apes could well have evolved from man.
The missing link in today's science is the appearance of the first replicating carbon based cell. As I have said before, no one can say how this cell came to be, it could well have been "created" . . .
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gomedome
on February 14, 2009 at 11:25 AM
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Australopithecus. Find them, see them. Half ape/half human. More human than chimps, less than modern man. Now do you believe?
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mousehop
on February 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM
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Re: Hope this blog isn't a waste of time, falling on deaf ears
kooka_lives - I expect it is a complete waste of time for some people. They simply refuse to educate themselves, or if they do attempt to learn more about the subject they get their information from other creationists.
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gomedome
on February 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM
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mousehop - I've never fully understood why creationists insist on an
evolution versus creation stance.
Despite their unfounded claims to the contrary, evolution is a proven reality but it does not propose how life began, only how it has changed. To take the simplistic position that they do, they are forced to deny reality from the outset.
posted by
gomedome
on February 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM
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"Typically creationists point to some of the difficult areas of science, ..
as if some small segment as yet unexplained diminishes all valid and corroborated segments." Meanwhile, giving a circular argument on why there is but one God...but that God is triune... and presents in three forms. Hmmm? So, it's sort of like having three arms, but in this case two arms can be detached, stand alone, but still be attached? Or,they can somehow prove "scientifically" that one and three actually represent the same quantity? Oy-Vey. And may I say, TAPS, WOW!!!, I thought I was the only nutcase around who still believes in a Creator, but also embraces scientific discovery and seeks to place it into a revised creation timeline, revised being the operative word. Staunchly holding to the belief that life is but a few thousand years old despite so much scientific proof to the contrary is nothing short of brainwashing! On the other hand, they'll try to use the intricacy of DNA to prove creationism. So, they get to pick and choose which scientific evidence to embrace and discard?
posted by
womeninthegap
on February 14, 2009 at 5:48 AM
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Curmudgeonliness becomes you.
You have such endearing qualities when you are pressing a point. Although a believer in God and biblical inspiration, I just love science. You have made some good points in your post. I have seen many great examples of fossils in NM, CO, UT, KS, SD, TX and also in Spain, and I have unearthed a few small fossils myself. It's a thrill to study the whys and wherefores of these finds and attempt to place them in a timeline in their proper place. It is also intriguing to attempt to mesh together the theories of man and the teachings of the Bible.
posted by
TAPS.
on February 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM
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Show me one instance of evolution 'mid-stride' ie half man /half ape...and I may believe!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on February 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM
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Hope this blog isn't a waste of time, falling on deaf ears
Since when did creationists care about science , facts or logic?
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 13, 2009 at 10:46 AM
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Would that all government and school authorities had your understanding.
posted by
mousehop
on February 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM
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Troosha - believing alone is not grounds for capitol punishment
Nor is there any reason why the scientific theory of evolution should be viewed as anti-creation. For those who believe that there is an omnipotent creator being, who amongst us can say whether or not this being utilized the evolutionary process to create life? I sure can't but what I refuse to do is to pander to popular sentiment in the face of overwhelming reality and facts in an effort to uphold ancient religious mythologies.
posted by
gomedome
on February 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM
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gomedome
Shoot me too then because I’m a believer…..
posted by
Troosha
on February 13, 2009 at 8:07 AM
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