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ACK! I Made a Mistake!
I meant "to SEE the book....."
posted by
editormum
on November 18, 2003 at 5:53 PM
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LOL Unicorn!
Come to Oddments to the the
BOOK this post of yours provoked!
posted by
editormum
on November 18, 2003 at 5:52 PM
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edit;
very well stated! you should be a writer!
posted by
PastorB
on November 18, 2003 at 3:50 PM
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Okay, look....
It's true that some Christians are perfectly nasty to homosexual individuals. It's also true that some people (dunno their religious affiliation) have beaten, tortured, murdered, and otherwise abused homosexuals because of their sexual proclivities.
It is equally true that some homosexuals are perfectly nasty to Christians, and that some homosexuals have beaten, tortured, murdered, and otherwise abused persons who were not homosexuals (regardless of religious affiliation) because of their sexual proclivities.
The truth is that many people simply cannot deal, in any meaningful and respectful way, with people who are different from them. I do not approve of homosexual acts. I understand that some people have inclinations toward homosexuality, and I do not fault them for those inclinations. Temptation is a universal problem; everyone in life has something that is a dangerous temptation for them. But we do not have to act out our inclinations and succumb to our temptations. And just because I do not approve of what you are doing does not mean that I hate you. It just means that I think you are engaging in behaviour that is wrong, destructive, or dangerous. And if I point it out to you, it means I care enough about you to be concerned that you are hurting yourself or others.
Unfortunately, some people cannot separate the wrongdoing from the doer. The sin from the sinner, if you insist. And that is where hate-crimes and hate-speech and all come into play. If you cannot separate the person from the act, then you transfer your hate of the act onto the act-er, and you do things that are equally wrong to "make them see the error of their ways."
More on this in my Oddments blog later.
posted by
editormum
on November 18, 2003 at 2:36 PM
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I'M SORRY
If you've seen or have proof of a church or true Christian assaulting a gay person physically or otherwise, I'd like to read that story. But I think you are being to general and stigmatizing Christians. Which is what you say some Christians do to the gays. Homosexuality is a sin, period, it's in the bible numerous times.
posted by
PastorB
on November 18, 2003 at 2:20 PM
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Unicorn
Then why does this 'love' often turn to gay bashing?
I had read many stories in the paper (More than the stories about kids getting posioned on haloween, which I have never seen in the papers) about people going out and beating another person to death just becasue that person was thought to be gay. No proof needed.
This is coming from somehwere.
And the church seems to be the number 1 place for anti-gay talk.
I see a hugh connection.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 18, 2003 at 11:45 AM
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sorry, your plan didn't work pg
the only thing that upset me about your comment was me being called a "he". But I'm over it already!
posted by
PastorB
on November 18, 2003 at 9:47 AM
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Oh...I get it now
...guess I'm still groggy this morning.
The thing is, you have just proved, perhaps inadvertently, the power and pertinency of the maxim, "Love the sinner; hate the sin."
You, an atheist, and I, a liberal Christian, at once can steer clear of the gay debate and find common ground in wisdom found in the Bible, of all places.
posted by
BrWiSk
on November 18, 2003 at 8:39 AM
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BrWISk
I was hoping to upset Unicorn so that he might understand how homosexuals feel when Christians say, what he just said.
posted by
pg_scott
on November 18, 2003 at 8:34 AM
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I'm not against gay people...
...but I'm curious what pg_scott means by that comment. Just curious.
posted by
BrWiSk
on November 18, 2003 at 8:30 AM
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Unicorn
posted by
pg_scott
on November 18, 2003 at 8:07 AM
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homosexuals
Most Christians that I know, including myself, realize that homosexuallity is an abomination to the Lord, as the Bible states. However, we are still to love the person, just hate the sin. I've written many posts on this topic in footprints if you'd care to read them.
posted by
PastorB
on November 18, 2003 at 7:59 AM
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SCARED OF GAY PEOPLE
*** Your Title Here *** "I had a friend in high school who was 'born again' and he almost seemed scared of gay people."
Nice post.
Astute observation about your friend. I think fear motivates a lot of people who consider homosexuality evil. It's not a fear of other people they see as homosexual--they fear their own homosexual feelings and they fear being exposed for having them. I discussed this in my post And My Boyfriend Isn't Gay Either.
posted by
foggybo
on November 17, 2003 at 8:49 PM
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