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Re: Re: Re: Re: One's conclusions can only be as biased or un-biased...
I agree with that last line...completely :)!...this was fun...do visit my blog sometime, best,
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ash_pradhan
on December 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM
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Re: Re: Re: One's conclusions can only be as biased or un-biased...
Am I biased? Doesn't everyone like that which they more directly identify with? Tunnel vision? I think my eyes are wide-open actually. Don't worry I read everyones comments and appreciate their points of views. It would be boring to just have people agree completely.
posted by
mordent
on December 22, 2008 at 2:59 PM
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Better for you that you don't fit into a box. No one knows what to do with someone who doesn't parrot their rhetoric so they call you the other guy.
posted by
mordent
on December 22, 2008 at 2:55 PM
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There really is no such thing as a liberal. And it's better you don't find out what one is anyway.
I've said before, it's people who project stereo-typical behavior that are doing the injustice. The audience can only react to what the actor is giving them.
posted by
mordent
on December 22, 2008 at 2:53 PM
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Re: Re: One's conclusions can only be as biased or un-biased...
It's obvious that u r obvious about ur own views, to the point of having a tunnel-vision...I was merely suggesting that u seriously examine / question ur assumptions / beliefs / conclusions, at least once in a while, as you just might learn something useful...especially in the company of wise ones like the commenters below, who care to comment on ur blog, despite it's obvious biases...hahaha!
posted by
ash_pradhan
on December 22, 2008 at 7:35 AM
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Following Soul Builder's comment: "Conscience of a Conservative" author and politician Barry Goldwater considered himself a liberal, going back to the etymology of the term, which means "free". Most people, by having experienced the success of their political views at some point in their lives are, technically, conservative in that they are attempting to preserve those successes. So the liberal Democrats, seeking to conserve the entitlement programs, should be considered "conservatives".
For my own part, I have been considered lefter-than-left and righter-than-right for my political views. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans know what to do with me. They try to stick the other party's label on me and the adhesive won't hold. Some say "Marxist". Others say "Anarchist". Or they say every right-wing group they can think of, most of which can not be mentioned in polite company. In other words, they all say nonsense.
posted by
cpklapper
on December 22, 2008 at 6:26 AM
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This had me chuckling at the way you frame your arguments. It is very professional! But, is it the truth? I do not go for the political/ideological labels used in group-stereotyping.Heck, I refused to even find out what a 'liberal' is! I do have a problem with stereotyping! I think it conceals the fact of other deeper truths being in existence!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on December 21, 2008 at 11:10 PM
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Re: One's conclusions can only be as biased or un-biased...
Like I said I think humans are all the same, I'm just more obvious about my views. The reason humans blog is to connect with other humans. Thats communication for you.
So go ahead and pitch your pennies oh wise one. he he.
posted by
mordent
on December 21, 2008 at 8:32 PM
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One's conclusions can only be as biased or un-biased...
as one's assumptions / beliefs, no matter what they r based on...personal growth comes thru questioning / examining one's own assumptions / beliefs, not thru attacking / ridiculing those that may happen to be different than one's own...as intelligent as u all obviously r, I do hope that u blog for self-improvement than for "one-up-manship"..regardless, i'll try to chip in my pennies when i can, best,
posted by
ash_pradhan
on December 21, 2008 at 11:44 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There are beliefs even in observations
Hence my conclusion about different scholars arguing the same religious doctrine. Yes we all see things thru our own filter.
The fact that there is a left-wing and right-wing is proof of that. How can they see things so differently? As I said I will listen to others but if I can see something for myself then I will come to my own conclusions.
posted by
mordent
on December 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: There are beliefs even in observations
Religion is not, in my experience, unbending. Then again, I have not had personal experience with dictatorial religions. As far as that goes, the problem is not religion but dictatorship. And dictatorship can occur everywhere power is to be had, not only in politics, but in society, at work, in academia, in literature, in music and in media. And everywhere dictatorship occurs, stated beliefs and behavior become stilted, rigid and unbending.
These are my observations colored by my beliefs, of course, namely those resulting from the fact that my faith preceded any possible indoctrination or schooling by several years. I simply do not have the resentment about religious doctrine being rammed down my throat when I was young -- because it wasn't and I was allowed to develop my own faith and my own understanding of my early ecstatic experience -- while I do have such a resentment about political and economic doctrine being rammed down my throat throughout my adult life with the one-way communication of television and radio. Especially today.
But I digress. My main point is that observations are unavoidably biased. We see what we want to see and ignore what we do not. We already have the opinions which we seek to confirm with our observations and those opinions bias our observations. That is why the scientific method relies on the repeatability of results
with different researchers running the experiment. Only by changing the observer can science hope to confirm the observations.
Wisdom comes not from changing one's opinions when circumstances change but from changing one's opinions when things stay the same.
posted by
cpklapper
on December 20, 2008 at 8:16 PM
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Perhaps surprised you would admit it.
posted by
mordent
on December 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM
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I'm defining beliefs as something more rigid and unbending. Religions, ideologies, that to me is what I'm calling beliefs.
What I am saying is that I have opinions based on my observations. This way one puts the horse in front of the cart. Things can change and when they do my opinion will change.
As far as bias goes, everyone has their tastes.
posted by
mordent
on December 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM
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Re: Re: There are beliefs even in observations
So what you see is biased by your pre-existing beliefs. To state your beliefs as a preface to what you observe is therefore more honest than denying that you have beliefs and pretending that your observations are inerrant truths.
posted by
cpklapper
on December 20, 2008 at 8:48 AM
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No argument here...especially with ur beach preference, which I totally share...surprised :)?...
posted by
ash_pradhan
on December 20, 2008 at 8:02 AM
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Everyone judges because thats how one stays alive. For example I stay away from drug-addicts but I understand how they may have arrived there. So it's a case of judging but not judging.
I can usually see people look/dress a certain way as opposed to people who are genuinely malvolent. That's just street-wisdom, instinct and experience. So I feel I know who to give the benfit of the doubt to.
But we all go by preferences/taste. I have lived in NY and do not care to attend their beaches based on the type of people there/beach conditions. I much prefer my own beaches here in California. When you like something, then inherently, it is because you like something else less. THe difference is I admit it whereas most won't.
posted by
mordent
on December 19, 2008 at 9:01 AM
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Doesn't "judging" precede "blaming" :)?...ever heard of "giving the benefit of the doubt" :)?
posted by
ash_pradhan
on December 19, 2008 at 8:33 AM
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Re: Interesting...
I blame stereo-types on people who act like them.
posted by
mordent
on December 18, 2008 at 6:20 PM
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When I post I'm just speaking what I see. I'm not trying to offend. If I offend someone I actually blame them, not myself. Well I guess I'm glad you're not offended. But there's nothing wrong with being offended and still enjoying the read. Maybe the fact that you find it truthful over-rides being offended.
posted by
mordent
on December 18, 2008 at 6:19 PM
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Re: There are beliefs even in observations
Okay and what else?
posted by
mordent
on December 18, 2008 at 6:15 PM
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Interesting...
observant in some places, stereotyping in others!
posted by
ash_pradhan
on December 18, 2008 at 4:27 PM
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ole boy, you most definatly are different in the way you think but I like the way you think, you actually do. I enjoyed my read. I believe in the almighty God and the son and the holy spirit. That of course makes me a christian, Good christian never said that. For some reason what you write gives me no reason to feel offended, like some of the other writers here on blogit. Enjoyed my read
posted by
RITE2SPIN
on December 18, 2008 at 11:44 AM
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There are beliefs even in observations
The brain translates the stimuli into views that are consistent with beliefs.
Objectivity is bunk.
posted by
cpklapper
on December 18, 2008 at 11:44 AM
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Re: As entertaining as always!
You're right, they have no humor. Because they take the world too seriously and because they think they can fix it. Not to mention they have no logic and so therefore can't see or won't admit they're a multidinous contradiction.
posted by
mordent
on December 17, 2008 at 5:44 PM
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Re: ROTFLMAO........
Lets see if they have the balls.
posted by
mordent
on December 17, 2008 at 5:41 PM
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As entertaining as always!
Although the libs won't laugh...because of the serious, endemic lack of humour among libs...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2008 at 5:38 PM
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I enjoyed reading your thoughts too! sam
posted by
sam444
on December 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM
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ROTFLMAO........
Very entertaining........I can't wait to see some of the Liberals reactions.......
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM
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