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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mordent
Thats exactly right. Those immigrants are republican/religious in a sense. You defending them is no different than defending republicans. So if you don't defend republican nationals then don't defend the immigrant ones either.
They hang onto their ways because they lack the ability to assimilate. In London/paris and elswhere they simply turn their neighborhood into an extension of what they left behind. And the foolish PC liberal mentallity allows them to do it.
If Austraila is smart enough to try and retain their culture then bravo and let them have it. As the rest of the West will be stupid enough to continue learning the painful lesson of watching their culture dissolve.
We owe them nothing, let them fix their own countries.
Yes school is a few acres of theory surrounded by reality.
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Re: WELL I GUESS THE INMATES OF A PENAL COLONY WOULD BE FRDDEOM SEEKING
Yeah it's funny how whites can always make it supreme even when they're descendents of a penal colony while everyone else needs to come to their world and beg at the door.
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So my classroom is detached from reality? Weird that I never noticed.
If too many poor people move into the same neighborhood, immigrants or otherwise, the neighborhood becomes poor. Those who cling to their old traditions, and join together to defend their culture, are hardly liberals. That's a conservative impulse. And that's the problem in London and Paris, conservative religionists clinging to guns and God, or some facsimile thereof, and ignoring the benefits of a good liberal education. I blame them, but I do try to understand. The attraction of the familiar, especially in an unfamiliar country, can be very powerful, like any other prejudice.
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November 17, 2008
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WELL I GUESS THE INMATES OF A PENAL COLONY WOULD BE FRDDEOM SEEKING
But the PM seems to be ignori g the history of Australia as where Britain put its worst criminals. Hmmm
And then the criminals took the land away from its original inhabitants -- and if we were to speak of Australians, wouldn't the Aborigines there be the real Australians?
But then again White Supremacy could be hinted at here.
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Xeno-x
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November 17, 2008
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THAT WOULD BE A DICTATORSHIP OF THE WORST DEGREE
AND I FOR ONE WOULD TAKE UP ARMS AGAINST IT.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Mordent
Everything is a matter of context. I've been in classrooms with immigrants and I bet i wouldn't mind teaching them either.
However the laws always bend to them sooner or later. And the neighborhoods they live in usually turn to shit. The liberal thing always goes way to far. Go to London. go to Paris. See what I mean. There's tons of trouble they cause but you don't seem to focus on this or of course you will blame someone else but never them.
You see the classroom is one context and reality is always another.
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mordent
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November 17, 2008
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RSM, liberals are always wrong?
Four years ago I said that if Bush stayed in power
we would see a collapse of our economy by the time he was out of office. You
backed Bush up and claimed all would work out under him. Who was wrong
there?
And you can't see the future. I am positive that
we will see great improvement here in the next four years and that once more it
will you who is proven to wrong.
Once more, you have to use actual FACTS if you wish
for what you say to be taken seriously. Just because you can make the claim
does not made it true. There is NOTHING at all to back up your claim about
liberals always being wrong.
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kooka_lives
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November 15, 2008
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RSM, you obviously don't understand freedom at all then
You do not lose any freedom by granting freedom to
others. It just doesn't work that way. By openly allowing others to have the
same freedom you enjoy nothing is lost. Unlike things like the Patriot Act,
which openly took away everyone's freedoms, even if only slightly, for the
ILLUSION of safety, which is very much WRONG on so many levels and opens us up
to loosing more. yet there has NEVER once been a time here in the USA when by
allowing new immigrants freedom the people have ever lost their own, while the
opposite has been very true. When we try to deny other's freedom we have ended
up giving away our own. That is how freedom works
I want to keno what freedoms you think I am giving
up when I defend the freedom of others.
And what contradiction are you talking about this
time? You showed none in your comment and proved absolutely nothing at all
there. Just making a statement does not make said statement true. You have to
actually back up what you say with facts. Go ahead, and try for
once.
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November 15, 2008
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Within my sphere, I have the authority to enforce my 'expectations', and I do so. I don't require that anyone embrace my ideals, but I do require that they honor them, regardless of their origins, religious beliefs, culture, or position. Even other professors must follow the rules. That is the basis of my assertions, and I could provide evidence for them. Just come visit my classroom.
As for why immigrants come here, it isn't because they think America is perfect. They just hope, and expect, to have greater opportunity here. I, for one, am willing to put forth some effort to keep that true. That is why I insist on maintaining liberal ideals.
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November 15, 2008
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Clever, how you refer to history in the future, thus making it pointless to debate until the data are in. But what, exactly, am I wrong about? After all, I teach a lot of immigrants, and I require them to communicate in English, and to acknowledge American principles of civility and appropriate conduct. And they do. I haven't lost any freedoms to immigrants. I was concerned for a while about my constitutional rights, but we have survived the assaults of the Bush Administration, and the Supreme Court helped with that, so I think we're pretty safe for the moment.
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November 15, 2008
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RSM
Understand when arguing with liberals that they are that Muslim with the turban.
THey are that crack-addict. They are that guy sitting in the electric chair. Don't argue ideals with them. It's much deeper psychologically than that.
Let freedom ring. Let everybody be free but let them stay in their own countries and let the liberals join them. If they can't create it for themselves than that's their problem and that speaks for their character.
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November 15, 2008
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Re:
Excellent comment!
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RedStatesMan
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November 14, 2008
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Re: RSM, you really know how to prove your point
I do not want to lose our freedoms that so many have fought and died for in this nation.
You are so careless with your freedom and are willing to give it away to anyone with no questions asked.
That is the difference!
It has alway been amusing how you speak about freedom as if you (liberals) own it but yet you just spent 8 years complaining about not having any freedoms and losing them all.
Liberalism: Total Contradiction!
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RedStatesMan
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November 14, 2008
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Re: Re: Mordent
"We expect all immigrants to learn about our liberal ideals and accept them."
Your reason and logic is the problem here because you made a stupid error in "expecting" anyone to do anything. Were you born yesterday?
"We also do take the opportunity to learn what we can from foreigners. After all, we have yet to produce a perfect society."
We may have not achieved perfection but they certainly think we have since all of them want to come here to live.
Your assertions are accurate only because you think they are; why is it that everything with you liberals has to be something that you consider to be fact or logic when in reality it isn't at all?
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RedStatesMan
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November 14, 2008
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Alternatives
It always amuses me that the liberals, with all of their logic and reasoning, are always wrong. Just look at history especially over the next four years of forthcoming history.
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RedStatesMan
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November 14, 2008
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Re: Mordent
Liberals do ask accountability of foreigners. We expect all immigrants to learn about our liberal ideals and accept them. These include things like freedom of speech and freedom of religion, and the equality of all people (rather a hard concept for many Muslims, because it does apply to women). But we don't insist that they agree with us on every opinion. We also do take the opportunity to learn what we can from foreigners. After all, we have yet to produce a perfect society.
Now, I grant that I am simply making these assertions without any evidence to back them up, but so did you, and my assertions are accurate.
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November 14, 2008
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RSM, you really know how to prove your point
Actually you seem to be doing all you can to help
me prove my point.
I really am sorry you don't understand how freedom is suppose
to work or what it is to respect other people who do not share the same beliefs
as you do. Your hatred of freedom is not healthy thing and you really should
not embrace it as much as you have. It will only make you more bitter and more
angry when you see people being able to enjoy that freedom and express
themselves and their beliefs openly.
Now we wait for your of so witty reply that will
show me just how foolish I am to not share your beliefs.
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kooka_lives
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November 14, 2008
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Liberals never ask accountability for foreigners. Just that the host step aside and understand. THis is because they identify with so-called under-dog.
Suicidal. Mentally-ill. Self-hating. These are their true reasons, not in the name of freedom for others.
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mordent
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November 14, 2008
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Re: Re: Re: Alternatives
I'm not offended by your post. I'm amused that you think it is intelligent debate, or anything besides childish. Truth may hurt, but it doesn't hurt me. I'm not the one begging the opposition to go away and leave me alone. I'm just taunting you into trying to debate using evidence and reason, and laughing at the result.
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mousehop
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November 14, 2008
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Re: Re: Alternatives
Oh, so sorry to offend your little weak liberal feelings. The truth hurts and that is why you are so upset at this post. Like I said, GET OVER IT! After your wonder boy gets in office you will be struggling to find something to defend him on and on any issue. Sit back and watch, I will and I will remind you or the mistake you made in supporting such a liberal as Hussein Obama.
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RedStatesMan
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November 13, 2008
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Re: Alternatives
Get over it! Your liberal diatribe really is silly at best!
posted by
RedStatesMan
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November 13, 2008
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Re: WHAT A TOTAL LOAD OF RUBBISH
You know what you can do with your socialistic communistic Hussein-loving liberalism, don't you?
posted by
RedStatesMan
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November 13, 2008
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WHAT A TOTAL LOAD OF RUBBISH
THAT KIND OF THINKING IS AN INSULT TOWARDS
EVERYTHING THAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY GREAT
There really is no other way to look at such a
comment. To make any such statements is to say you HATE freedom on so many
levels.
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kooka_lives
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November 13, 2008
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Alternatives
So that's the best you've got? 'Go away, we're more comfortable without you'? Why should I, a fifth generation American, leave a county I love just because narrow-minded people would prefer that to being asked to hold their own in a free exchange of ideas? This is my country. It was founded by liberals, and all the advances in our culture have been made by liberals. Even most of what conservatives claim is liberal philosophy. So get used to it. Exercise your own freedoms (Individual freedom; another brilliant liberal idea).
posted by
mousehop
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November 13, 2008
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Ain't it so?!
It would indeed be super if there were more leaders like John Howard. There is more concern about being politically correct than there is about right is right and wrong is wrong. This view will never come from the lips of our latest president-elect. It is sad but true!
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Texas_Gem
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November 13, 2008
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