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One more thing, the phrase is, "theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven", meaning they possess it; they are not in it.  I would say, if they possess it, then it very probably is in them.

posted by Xeno-x on November 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM | link to this | reply


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in which this is written: 

"The Kingdom of God is

(a) the sphere of God's rule, Psa 22:28; 145:13; Dan 4:25; Luk 1:52; Rom 13:1, 2. Since, however, this earth is the scene of universal rebellion against God, e.g., Luk 4:5, 6; 1Jo 5:19; Rev 11:15-18, the "kingdom" of God is

(b) the sphere in which, at any given time, His rule is acknowledged."

posted by Xeno-x on November 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM | link to this | reply


Kingdom:  g932 (# in Strong's Greek Lexicon), basileia, meaning, 

1) royal power, kingship, dominion, rule

a) not to be confused with an actual kingdom but rather the right or authority to rule over a kingdom

b) of the royal power of Jesus as the triumphant Messiah

c) of the royal power and dignity conferred on Christians in the Messiah's kingdom

2) a kingdom, the territory subject to the rule of a king

3) used in the N.T. to refer to the reign of the Messiah


more of a state of mind, I would say, than a territory.  I render it, "realm".

and "Heaven"?  g3772, ouranos, meaning, 

1) the vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it

a) the universe, the world

b) the aerial heavens or sky, the region where the clouds and the tempests gather, and where thunder and lightning are produced

c) the sidereal or starry heavens

2) the region above the sidereal heavens, the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells and other heavenly beings



denotes "the heaven." The RV always renders it "heaven." The AV translates it "air" in Mat 8:20. In the phrase "the fowls (or birds) of the heaven" the AV always has "air;" "sky" in Mat 16:2,3; Luk 12:56; in all other instances "heaven." The word is probably derived from a root meaning to cover or encompass.

The original Greek refers to sky and things above.  King James, by inference, concludes a reference to "Heaven", as in the ultra high abode of God.  Again, we are talking about 16th Century Anglican bias here.

So we are talking about something "above" the realm in which typical humans move.  We are talking about "higher" things.  I render it, "spiritual".

I phrase it, "spiritual realm" rather than Kingdom of Heaven.

And then there is:  

Mat 5:5 Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

so the poor in Spirit have the Kingdom of Heaven, and the meek have the earth -- right?

posted by Xeno-x on November 13, 2008 at 12:08 PM | link to this | reply

 Matthew 5:10-12 makes it clear that those who are persecuted for righteousness sake will be in the kingdom of heaven.  Will this be a very small select group of Christians? It can't be because 2 Timothy 3:12 says that all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. not afew but all,  Jesus made the statement that those who are born again are the ones who will enter into the kingdom of God. In John 3:3 & 5 Jesus confronts Nicodemus with the truth that unless you are born again you cannot even hope to see the kingdom of God. Is being born again only for a special select few? 1 John 5:1 says that whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. Whoever means anyone. Jesus himself gave a prayer for believers in John 17:20. Here Jesus says that his prayer is not only for his disciples but also for all those who will believe in Jesus through their word. What did Jesus pray for them? John 17:24 says that he prayed that they would be with him  where he is. Where is Jesus? John 14:2-3 says, "In my Father's house are many mansions, if were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am there you may be also " Jesus is in his Father's house and he desires all those who have believed in him by the word of the apostles would be there with him.

posted by RITE2SPIN on November 11, 2008 at 8:09 PM | link to this | reply

technically, you're right
what ultimately happens is, there is "heaven" established literally here on the earth. A kingdom on this planet ruled by Jesus Christ, where only those who have placed trust in Jesus as the resurrected lord will be citizens. So there is no "going' anywhere ultimately.

In this sense, they are in 'heaven", which a realm devoid of all evil and corruption and all manner of defect and flaw, in ecstatic awareness and knowledge of God. His direct presence. The earth will be perfect as it was intended.

posted by calmcantey75 on November 11, 2008 at 3:48 PM | link to this | reply

Re: do you believe
But the nowhere does the Bible say the saved will go to Heaven.

That's my point.

posted by Xeno-x on November 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM | link to this | reply

do you believe
that Jesus was resurrected from the dead? If you don't, then you will not enter heaven. It's that simple.

posted by calmcantey75 on November 11, 2008 at 2:59 PM | link to this | reply

So maybe there is chance that the south is going to rise again after all.

posted by RITE2SPIN on November 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM | link to this | reply

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