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Re: Re: Mammon is the God of material affluence
Don't worry. Each to his own understanding.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on September 16, 2008 at 1:35 AM
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Re: Mammon is the God of material affluence
I wish I knew what you were talking about so I could write a sensible reply.
posted by
witenite3333
on September 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM
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Mammon is the God of material affluence
I'm not going to get into the argument about Hitlers' religious views or lack thereof. He's dead and I really don't care what he believed or not. What I do find silly is your measure of where God is and where not. If your God is not omnipresent He is not the same God that the prophets, including Jesus, talked about. Your God seems to be the one who gives nations and countries industrial and economic strength. That sounds like Mammon in disguise to me. As long as you view material progress and affluence (products of scientific effort to a large degree, which you seem to label evil too) as the measure of God's presence you are never going to have a clue about who and what God is. People can be humble and content with what God/Life has given them without having to take part in the race for material supremacy. I'm not against Christianity at all, but a materialist supremacist Christianity is virtually the same as a synagogue of Satan in my view.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on September 15, 2008 at 7:02 PM
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I don't want to get into an unnecessary argument here
but just because he attended a church (Catholic) when he was young does not make him a Christian or give him a Christian background. It just means he attended a church and he had a Roman Catholic background. From Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs
Adolf Hitler was brought up as a Roman Catholic. According to historian Bradley F. Smith, Hitler's father, though nominally a Catholic, was a freethinker, while his mother was a practicing Catholic. According to historian Michael Rissmann young Adolf was influenced in school by Pan-Germanism and began to reject the Church and Catholicism, receiving Confirmation only unwillingly. A boyhood friend reports that after Hitler had left home, he never attended Mass or received the Sacraments. Georg Ritter von Schönerer's writings and the written legacy of his Pan-German Away from Rome! movement, which agitated against the Roman Catholic Church at the end of the 19th century, may have influenced the young Adolf Hitler.
Further down it tells of his private talks (which activist atheists like to regard as not authentic)
There is less controversy about other statements. Joseph Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." Albert Speer reports a similar statement: “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
Hitler used religion to suit his purposes. Religion enabled him to gather the masses and keep them. To say that Hitler was in any way Christian is deceitful. I take your point that he was not Anti God and therefore an Atheist however that was not the point of my Blog. The point was that if there was no accounting of my actions in this life then I can do anything I like and become LIKE Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin or Mao Ze Dong.
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posted by
witenite3333
on September 15, 2008 at 2:49 AM
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witenite3333 - you may want to take note of how I worded my first comment
That would be accurately.
He was most definitely from a Christian background, that is an historically documented fact. There is nothng that can be found anywhere that conclusively tells us that he had abandoned his beliefs in God and had become an atheist later in life. On the contrary; we have many verified examples of him expressing his belief in God. Your saying that he was an atheist is merely your willingness to promote that which you cannot discern as being religious propaganda. A somewhat balanced article about this can be found HERE
Try the truth and a bit of relevancy when you undertake to slander a large segment of the society you live in . . . it will save you from having to rely on falsehoods to support opinions that cannot be supported in any other way.
posted by
gomedome
on September 14, 2008 at 6:12 PM
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Thats a misconception
by atheists that they claim Adolf Hitler had a christian background. He used the Catholic Church to his advantage and they fell for him. He was an atheist through and through.
posted by
witenite3333
on September 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM
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witenite3333 - nice collection of commonly held misconceptions
You may however want to take Adolph Hitler off your list of really bad atheists, he was after all from a Christian background, with a great deal of evidence clearly demonstrating that he believed in God. There is too much to contend in this post so I'll leave it at that but in any event . . . let me extend a belated welcome to Blogit.
posted by
gomedome
on September 14, 2008 at 4:42 PM
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