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The Pentagram has been used, as you rightly said, by Christians and it has also been used by many others to represent anything that comes in groups of five. The reason many Christians believe it is evil is because of pseudo religious nuts calling themselves Satanists who use this shape upside down with the very idea of being the opposite of Christians (and a picture of a goat fits better that way around too). This relates to Hitlers' use of the Swastika that has the arms point the opposite way from it's original use as an indicator of Buddhist and other holy places on maps etc. It is an easily recognizable sign that can be loaded with associations that those who have been trained to associate specific meanings with it can use to recall the relevant associations. If you get taught that a sign of whatever shape has a certain meaning it will have an effect on you (psychologically), but not so on someone else who holds no such a belief. I think the demonization of the pentagram is probably more the fault of movies about witchcraft than anyone else. One use that I've come across was to use this very sign to ward off evil influences. It's all in the mind of the beholder. There is so much bull doing the rounds about the Freemasons and similar fraternities that it almost seems as if they have enemies that want to paint a bad picture of them. Another example of suspicions and superstitions wielded by those in the know to work people into a frenzy to make them easy targets for manipulative information of whatever kind. I know who an ages old enemy of the old Egyptian-Jewish-Christian secret brotherhoods is and I wouldn't be surprised if they are putting some of this together. They never liked people who believed that they are free co-creators with God because it undermines their own claim to be the only rightful representatives of God on Earth, which is essentially what these brotherhoods teach. I'm sure you can guess who I'm referring to but I'm not one for stirring up old animosities and I would rather hope these parties can come to the table as friends.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on August 10, 2008 at 1:47 AM
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Re: Kooka do take a chill pill love. It's none of my business what you believe
Kooka I hate disappointing a fellow blogger but No I honestly wasn't offended by anything you have written. Amused yes. I thought it was a great thrust and can just see the headlines. Crazed person sacrificed very expensive goat in the belief ............. Not to worry. I didn't set out to offend, nothing more to be said. I am sorry about your Grandfather. I am comforted for you that you had come to terms with the loss before it happenend but I know from personal experience it's tough saying goodbye even so.It's late and I'm tired so I will bid you Goodnight.
posted by
Kabu
on August 7, 2008 at 10:05 PM
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Kabu, there are a few things you need to understand
I am not upset over this and I am not trying to make a fight out of it. I am actually very calm and I do understand where you are coming from, since I have dealt with this many times in the post and I am able to look at things from your point of view. But there is a level of insult in a believer telling a non-believer they are going or pray for them. I know this might be hard for you to understand, since you are most likely unable to see things from a differing point of view.
Did my comment about sacrificing a virgin goat on your behalf seem offensive to you? While trying not to put words in your mouth, my guess is you did find that idea offensive, mostly because you don't believe sacrificing a virgin goat will do any good and it seems a waste to you. Seriously., you praying for me is really the same kind of thing in my eyes.
The insult I really felt there was that you seem to go out of your way to say I need to be prayed for, as if there was something about me, my life or my beliefs that is just wrong. If you did not feel that way, then I am really lost as to why you felt you needed to tell me that you are praying for me. Right now I really see nothing in my life or who I am or what I believe that is wrong. I am happy, I have a great family and great friends, my job is going well and things are somewhat coming together in my life. My grandfather did die a week ago, but I had already came to peace with that before it happened and am not in a bad place over it. And I really doubt you even knew about his death when you said you were praying for me, since most likely you have not really looked at to many of my blogs here.
In the future if you feel there is a need to pray for me, don't bother telling me about it. I will always see it as insulting on some level. And if you are praying that I will 'see the light' and become a 'child of God' or whatever other nonsense you which to call it, that is wasting your time and is 100% pure insult towards me and really your own beliefs. But you are entitled to your own beliefs and if you gain some form of comfort from prayer, then keep it up. I got no problem with that. Just don't bother trying to tell a non-believer that you are praying for them, because it really will come off as an insult.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 7, 2008 at 6:44 PM
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Kooka do take a chill pill love. It's none of my business what you believe
or don't. Be insulted by my actions if you must. I care about all the blogit family that I read I pray for everyone, but disregard my saying anything to you for I can see it is only working you into a lather. I really don't mean to scrap. Make love not war, tis something to remember.
posted by
Kabu
on August 7, 2008 at 4:18 PM
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FineYoung
I did great in math myself. So we are both obviously controlled by the Devil and are used to spread his evil ideas of mathematics.
Also, the way Kuba introduced the idea that she was 'praying for me' was clearly her trying to say she was praying to get me to see things her way. That is insulting. After all, if you pray for someone's well being or that things get better for them, that is different (Still a waste of time in my eyes, but I agree not insulting). And right now I am in a good place and things are looking good for me. So for her to say she'll pray for me after the exchanges we have had, it can only mean her prayers are her asking God to get me to convert from my 'evil' ways. I shall never take such a thing as anything other than the insult it clearly is.
And just in case anyone wants to try and use this is in the wrong way, I have thanked people for thinking about me in the past who said they were praying for me when I was having hard times. I did explain that I don't believe it does any good and in the future if they feel such a need, best not say anything to me about it in a very polite manner.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 6, 2008 at 7:50 AM
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Kabu
If you think I am angry that you said you were 'praying for me' then you didn't get it. The implication that I need to be prayed for is insulting and just the fact that you want to waste you time on such a thing seems silly.
But I tell you what, I shall start to sacrifice virgin goats once a week (I would do it nightly, but virgin goats are not cheap) for you, since I have decided that doing such while I dance around the sacrificial fire is a way to help you open your mind and expand your understanding of things and get you to not take the word of one old lady who has a week grasp of reality as your only evidence of a person's character.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 6, 2008 at 7:41 AM
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Well I got A's in math---what does that say about me?
muaaahahahahahahahahaaahhhhhhhhh.
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on August 6, 2008 at 5:44 AM
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Re: Kabu - it's none of my business but I can tell you why I would find it
gome---I think you're reading too much into it.
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on August 6, 2008 at 5:42 AM
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Kabu - it's none of my business but I can tell you why I would find it
offensive.
At face value, to say that you are going to pray for someone is not offensive. It is akin to wishing someone well or hoping the best for them. The underlying sentiment is all that is really important but this changes a bit when you know that the person you are saying this to does not believe in God. At that point it is no longer simply wishing someone well, the underlying sentiment takes on a subtle overtone of simply not caring what someone else believes, whether they like it or not, you are including them in what you believe. Most people would find that somewhat offensive.
posted by
gomedome
on August 5, 2008 at 9:40 PM
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kooka_lives - probably the most incredible part of that link is how I came
to have it.
It was emailed to me this past February by a former Blogit member who was extremely upset by its contents. She had been exposed to it and other things along this same vein by some other Blogit members who were touting its authenticity. Then if that wasn't pitiful enough, they all began emailing me to tell me how ignorant I am about these things. I'm a lot more careful about answering emails from Blogit members I don't know these days.
posted by
gomedome
on August 5, 2008 at 9:26 PM
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wasted on me I hate Maths!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting how angry you get at the thought of someone caring enough to pray for you!
posted by
Kabu
on August 5, 2008 at 9:13 PM
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