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Re: Warmers like presenting their own "facts"

odd that the so-called "facts" posted by deniers are basically out of the mainstream -- "their own facts", as you say -- spewed to favor their point of view and not the hard data coming in every day from many sources.

I would rather assume that we can do something about global warming and offset the disasters facing us today and on the horizon, rather than accept that this is inevitable, outside of human control.

posted by Xeno-x on August 29, 2008 at 2:08 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Warmers like presenting their own "facts" Posted by witenite3333

so you can find real data regarding the medieval time period?

Did we have thermometers then? meteorologists?

regarding latest data, you are not considering a trend.

when there's record breaking heat, for sure something less would be cooler -- but still the trend is for warmer weather.

Look at the graph again.

and these are not my "facts"; this is data from the National Weather Service.

Hard facts.

posted by Xeno-x on August 29, 2008 at 12:04 PM | link to this | reply

Warmers like presenting their own "facts"

Your graph has no merit. If you bothered to show the graph till July '08 you will find that there has been a cooling trend for the last 7 years. I suggest you look at the MSU data that shows that all the warming for the last 30 years has been wiped out in the first few months of this year. Sorry to tell you this but the Aug 08 MSU data already shows a temperature drop of 0.7 degrees compared to Aug last year.

If you had bothered to read ALL the scientific data you will find that the Mediaevil Warm Period was still about 1.5 degrees Celcius WARMER then the last few years. However you seem to be a rabid AGW person. Personally I would rather be a "denier" then a "liar"

posted by witenite3333 on August 29, 2008 at 7:14 AM | link to this | reply

Your Post in general; especially the "Counting Your Blessings"

Just wanted to say I couldn't agree with you more, and I'm glad others are out there trying to get the ostriches to pull their heads outta the sand. Hard going, isn't it? I go 'round and 'round on this with my best friend everytime I see him, and no matter how large the mountain of evidence I provide him, he still won't believe me. Sadly, it is true that things are so out of hand now that even if the emissions ceased entirely tomorrow, many global warming effects will still take place. But is this any reason to just give up hope and wait for complete disaster to overtake us when we could at least mitigate the worst of it? I should hope not! Anyway, thanks for fightin' the good fight. I'm trying my best too.

Much Admiration for Your Efforts,

Greytfulwolf (Attics of Bill's Life)

posted by greytfulwolf on June 2, 2008 at 2:42 PM | link to this | reply

If you think I'm not presenting facts . . .

Since you opined, "Odd how our local denier will tell us one thing when the facts certainly show us another," then where is your refutation of the tornado data I presented on May 10, 12 and 13 at http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/WriterofLight9282/?

"The resulting torrential flood of illogic would be most entertaining." --Spock, to Dr. McCoy, in "The Ultimate Computer"

posted by WriterofLight on May 18, 2008 at 3:02 PM | link to this | reply

Oh, and by the way . . .

I eagerly await good Xenox's refutation of my series of postings on the relationship between tornadoes and "global warming" as reported by ABC, NBC and CBS over the past few days. Should be most entertaining.

posted by WriterofLight on May 16, 2008 at 10:10 PM | link to this | reply

What's getting weird here . . .

. . . is how what is happening is at odds with what the climate panic people say was supposed to happen. I believe http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/WriterofLight9282/543673 is the story good Xenox was referencing. Go read it and the links I provide in it; in sum, I raise the question of how the supposedly infallible "global warming" scientists, who are allegedly in consensus about climate change, can contradict themselves by predicting two years ago a surge in global warming after 2009, and then last month a ten-year period of cooling - by natural causes.

Could it just be that those of us who regard computer projections of past weather data into the future with disdain are right because, as I noted in the article, those projections are inherently inaccurate due to the numerous intangibles and variables that render any weather forecasting an inexact science?

Looks to me like you are in denial - of fundamentals of meteorology and climatology. Is the climate changing? Yes - because that's what the climate does.