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throw in your thoughts on any of the stuff as well
posted by
chrisja
on November 5, 2007 at 12:00 PM
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I admire the back and forth between you and Zena. Interesting information and insights are gleaned from your discourse. Well done.
posted by
EX_TURPI
on November 5, 2007 at 8:12 AM
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Re: there IS a huge amount there - and it's SOOOO inviting
I'm struggling to find that taut economy of words that encapsulates the idea in, as you say, a few, short, sharp strokes of the pen. My ideas are messy, run-on sentences that go on for miles, while I work out what I'm trying to say, repetitionos of ideas and adjectives, clarify the thrust of the argument.
This is why I ususally need the help of someone who has a clearer, more detached perspective. Yes, I thwarted your expectations, I'm glad you're okay with that. I was waiting for you to jump in and we could throw ideas and stanzas back and forth like we did yesterday, in the comments of The Maelstrom.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:11 PM
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Re: Re: here is the horus link
Chris, I'm just re-reading our conversation in your comments string and I've found this, which I'd missed earlier. You want to talk neverending sentences? I''m the queen of the run-on sentence, I just can't finish my train of thought unless I let it peter out to the end of a long, long sentence.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I'll look at that link and see how it fits in with our theme, the epic saga we're spinning here. See you in the morning, that is, morning in my part of the world.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:06 PM
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posted by
afzal50
on November 4, 2007 at 6:11 PM
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The witching hour hath chimed? Sweet dreams, see you tomorrow.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 4:07 PM
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but now it's midnite so i'm going to sleeeeeeep - talk to u next time
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 4:06 PM
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LOL, good, I was hoping you would say that. Bring it on.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 4:05 PM
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ok - i will attempt some stuff over the next few days and put it across to
you - i will switch from research assistance mode to creative mode
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 4:03 PM
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Well, if you help, Chris, I can't do an epic on my own today
I tried, I really wanted to, but somehow I couldn't focus enough.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 3:36 PM
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there IS a huge amount there - and it's SOOOO inviting
i was expecting something epic from your pen - and i was waiting all day - but i love it when expectations are thwarted - that's such good theatre - but the themes are so apparent, even if its just a gentle prelude or precursor - it's the zen thing or the chinese painting thing - a few strokes can have just as much depth and power as the epic - we're talking about the greeks on the other page - but that is also where they excelled, the economy of a few lines to say so much and with incredible incredible psychological vividness AND poetic beauty - don't disparage the few lines tossed off
and i am happy to be your writing side-kick
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 3:22 PM
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had what? Used what we talked about? I don't think we've begun to scratch
the surface of all the potential themes in there: Horus as counselor to the Pharoah, minister of justice and law. Aristophanes The Birds, I have to re-read because the potential for allegory is so huge. No, that was just a little something I tossed off in a few minutes, this will take time, and maybe he help of my writing partner?
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 3:05 PM
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well i actually thought you had with this last poem!
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 2:56 PM
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Chris, I haven't done anything with the Aristophanes or Horus stuff we
talked about this morning. I've been too distracted, but I definitely think we're onto something, that'll work itself in the next day or two.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 2:42 PM
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whiteknight thank you - you too
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 12:31 PM
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hmmmm
thats freakin awesome.... have a good day... keep smiling...
posted by
whiteknight3128
on November 4, 2007 at 10:31 AM
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I'm going to do the same Chris,I was just checking email.
Our efforts aren't going unnoticed.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 9:35 AM
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zena - i am going to make myself some food now - i will be curious
to see what you've birthed with all this data - see you soon - chris
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 9:27 AM
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thank you troosha - your words are very kind
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 9:25 AM
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chrisja
The questions, the answers, the imprint of our words on other - what a stunning poem!
posted by
Troosha
on November 4, 2007 at 9:18 AM
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Re: Nice poem, chrisja.
THANK YOU KAYZZAMAN
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 9:15 AM
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Re: What's turning into a monster?
the REVOLUTION
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 9:14 AM
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Re: here is the horus link
The Eye of Horus
The ancients believed this symbol of indestructibility would assist in rebirth.
Horus was an ancient Egyptian sky god in the form of a falcon. The right eye represents a peregrine falcon's eye and the markings around it, including the "teardrop" marking sometimes found below the eye. (i don't know why this sentence doesn't finish!! - this is from wikipedia)
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 9:13 AM
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This is good, too. It's germane, look
The most popular story of Horus is the one in which he grows to manhood to avenge the death of his father
Osiris by battling against his cruel uncle
Set. In many writings, he is said to continue to battle
Set daily to ensure the safety of the world.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 9:08 AM
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Nice poem, chrisja.
posted by
Kayzzaman
on November 4, 2007 at 9:07 AM
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What's turning into a monster?
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 9:06 AM
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Hmm, falccon, falcon-headed lion, advisor re: law, war, etc.
yes, definitely.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 9:05 AM
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here is the horus link
http://touregypt.net/godsofegypt/horus.htm
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 9:05 AM
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it's turning into a monster
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 9:05 AM
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here is some horus stuff - it's also applicable
Appearance: His most common form is that of falcon-headed man, but he is also shown as a falcon, a lion with the head of a falcon, or a sphinx. He is also shown as a falcon resting on the neck of the pharaoh, spreading his wings to either side of the pharaoh's head and whispering guidance in his ear.
Description: It is nearly impossible to distinguish a "true" Horus from all his many forms. In fact, Horus is mostly a general term for a great number of falcon gods, some of which were worshipped all over Egypt, others simply had local cults. Yet in all of his forms he is regarded as the prince of the gods and the specific patron of the living ruler.
Patron of: the living Pharaoh, rulers, law, war, young men, light, the sun, many others depending on the particular variant.
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 9:03 AM
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I just copied that!!!!! I love it, OMG, do you realize the allegorical
potential?? There is so much to work with here: birds, a new state.....
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 9:02 AM
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i'm sorry but i'm getting carried away by aristophanes and so i'm not
being helpful - but i like this too:
Come many, come any With the halcyon brood that sweep Surges of the watery deep, Come and list to novel words, Which to hear from far and near We gather all the tribes of neck-extending birds. Here is arrived a sharp old man Of revolutionary mind, To revolutionary deeds inclined; Come all and listen to his plan. Hither, hither, hither. which can be changed to:
Come many, come any With the halcyon brood that sweep Surges of the watery deep, Come and list to novel words, Which to hear from far and near We gather all the tribes of neck-extending birds. Here is arrived .Dave Of revolutionary mind, To revolutionary deeds inclined; Come all and listen. Hither, hither, hither.
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:58 AM
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Powerful. "In the beginning the earth was without form and void..."
the same idea, just stated differently.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:54 AM
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this is the link to be academically proper in my referencing:
http://www.theatrehistory.com/ancient/bates026.html
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:53 AM
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wow - i just looke up aristophanes - check this beautiful verse
It was Chaos and Night at the first, and the blackness of darkness, and hell's broad border; Earth was not, nor air, neither heaven; when in depths of the womb of the dark without order First thing first born of the black-plumed Night was a wind-egg hatched in her bosom, Whence timely, with season revolving again, sweet Love burst out as a blossom, Gold wings glittering forth of his back, like whirlwinds gustily turning He, after his wedlock with Chaos, whose wings are of darkness in hell broad-burning, For his nestings begat him a race of birds first and upraised us to light new-lighted.
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:50 AM
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Too light. This is not a frivoloous play, no, I like the Horus or Athena
theme, something that addresses the collective need for restoring justice, or the lack thereof.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:50 AM
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And, of course, the bird theme I forgot about Ath'ena's owl.
Again, another symbol of wisdom and justice. Good. I think we're onto something. This definitely about justice, balance, getting a fair hearing.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:48 AM
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and was it aristophanes who wrote a play called 'the birds' - but that
was a comedy
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:48 AM
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I'm not sure, but I like the "eye" idea, esp as it relates to justice
Give me a quick tutorial on Horus, would you? I'm more familiar with Greek and Roman than Egyptian myths.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:46 AM
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there's also the bird symbolising justice and wisdom in ancient greece
- Athena's owl
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:45 AM
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i think that's great - do it
i can't think off the top of my head of any greek/roman stuff - the only other thing that came to mind was the 'eye of the hawk' thing from one of my posts - because of hawks' predatorial nature towards smaller, lower birds beneath them - i'm also getting flashes of the egyptian eye symbol - i don't know why - who is that? horus? - isn't it a judgement symbol?
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:43 AM
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Interesting, but depends on what you mean by meaning, Chris
BTW, I'm working on a post using our collaborative writing last night, do you mind? I was going to title it Beyond Redemption, but it has so much of the feel of a Greek drama, that I thought you might be able to think of a Greek or Roman play that better sum it up, to title it. Any ideas?
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:36 AM
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particularly as they're asking it inter-dimensionally - now i'm getting
carried away!
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:34 AM
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but the thing that intrigues me about this poem is that it will gain its
full meaning only AFTER i'm actually dead, until then it can only chug along on half-meaning mode - there's something interesting about a dead person asking "I wonder where I am now?"
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:32 AM
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yes
traces of life that alway's have to be re-given life, resuscitated - it's a mini version of bringing the dead back to life - an infusion from the living
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:27 AM
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I like this stanza the best
these words
having come from my life
will always
from now on
be dependent
for their’s...
on your’s
So true, isn't it?
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:23 AM
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I thought it might be Japanese. I'm not taking offense, thank you
Learn something new every day.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:21 AM
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the '-aki' is a greek thing - like christaki - it's a term of endearment -
it means 'little one' - but please don't think i'm being 'impudent'
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:19 AM
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Zenaki? It took me a second to realize you meant me, what does it mean?
I know what you mean...the idea of bloggers sitting around parts of the world, morning, afternoon, evening...you're having dinner, I am not even thinking about breakfast, picked up my Sunday paper and tossed it on the table, except to laugh at an article about blogger wars....froggy? ain't no leaping goin' on here, i can assure you, more like Half Asleep In Frog Pajamas (Tom Robbins)
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 8:15 AM
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i just saw that you wrote 'froggy' and i'm cracking up - i have an image
of leap-frogging around the furniture
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:08 AM
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hi zenaki - time zones time zones - i like being confused about that and
not knowing where anyone is or what time it is anywhere - i hope you slept well - for me it is late afternoon but i'm doing stuff in between checking out the computer - so my responses may not be instantaneous - i'll settle down after dinner to see what's going down online
posted by
chrisja
on November 4, 2007 at 8:06 AM
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Hi Chris, I'm letting the caffeine percolate around my brain
while I contemplate this. It's morning and I'm still froggy.
posted by
Zena77
on November 4, 2007 at 7:53 AM
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