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gift - like breathing, earthquakes & russian dolls
the first is life, the second you don't know what it will throw up, and the third is a paradox

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 8:52 PM | link to this | reply

I agree, Chris, creativity is a gift no one can take away
Unless medicate or zap you or you get an illness.

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 4:52 PM | link to this | reply

i'm not a buddhist but i can relate to a non-attachment concept here
- i've often asked where my creativity lies, in what i produce or in the place in myself (and of myself), that produces it - what i create is what i can look back on, and is already limited (and vulnerable), but the source is what i look towards, no-one can touch it because it is unlimited - no-one can even get near it except me, and it can't be removed without dire consequences to my bodily existence (my death or unconsciousness or faculty impairment blah blah) - does this sound too simplistic? what do you think?

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 4:26 PM | link to this | reply

I guess the linear part of me is more developed than I thought
I had some good teachers in college. I learned logic and rhetoric, plus not to bs. myself.

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 4:19 PM | link to this | reply

It's a body blow, a sucker punch, Chris,
What is more real to a writer than writiing? You're right, losing 5 years of work. BAM at the touch of a bureaucrat's whim, like the head strawman of your dream. 

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 4:17 PM | link to this | reply

yes but i can see that what your processes reveal are very sharp
there's nothing woolly about what you're seeing and how you react is very direct under its non-linear exterior

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 4:17 PM | link to this | reply

yeh i'm gonna hav to act scared
although it's easy to get blase about a non-physical realm like cyberspace - but i can really hear what it must feel like to have 5 years of your creativity destroyed at the push of a button on an anonymous distant person's whim - that will hurt

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 4:14 PM | link to this | reply

I've learned to think linearly, Chris, but it's like a foreign language
My natural thinking is intuitive, free-assocative, spiraling from A to C to Z, not ABCD.

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 4:13 PM | link to this | reply

you asked if what kind of thnker/spirit i am before
i think i've got good respect for both the linear thing and the subversive and am quite practiced in both - although life has forced the pragmatic on me, it doesn't come naturally, but inner landscapes have always had slightly more appeal

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 4:11 PM | link to this | reply

Okay, good
But you're still mixing up prose in the poetry section, and  the Poetry Police are going to get really peeved.

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 4:09 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Actually, I meant the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz
the mix up was apt becos it was the tin man who needed the heart

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 4:06 PM | link to this | reply

Actually, I meant the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 4:04 PM | link to this | reply

I'm committing all kinds of violations, Chris, what's one more?
Oh, no, not prose in the poetry section.   Quick, somebody might report you.  

I like the part where they're all dance in synchronicity.  I get a vision of the Tin Man in Wizard of Oz, only lots of him, dancing.

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 4:03 PM | link to this | reply

zena - now look what you've made me do
i've posted a non-poem in the poetry section - holy guocamole! i hope that's not a serious infringement

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 3:58 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Chris, that's the beauty of the blog or collective unconscious, ideas
actually our conversation is revving me up a bit, i usually only do one post a day (for no reason other than i decided to) but now i have a strong inclination to post a little story that i wrote that came from a dream - i shouldn't post it on the poetry site but i will rationalise it by saying it has come from the same inner place - and the collective unconscious is at work becos i have just read antonioni's guy fawkes post and my story is about a strawman and fear...

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 3:01 PM | link to this | reply

Oh, I just saw your comment that you were off to sleep. Night!

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 3:00 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Speaking of Dave and birds, he seemed to have that quality
Yep, must be true. I've thought of myself as a free bird for a long while. Not a linear thinker.  I suppose that's true of most creative types. And you, too?

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 2:58 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Speaking of Dave and birds, he seemed to have that quality
i can see that you're adopting the same qualities - or already possess them - you and Dave - birds of a feather?

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 2:57 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Chris, that's the beauty of the blog or collective unconscious, ideas
yep that's true - i like that - i'm going to let that settle on me - i don't where you are, but this is the end of my day, so i'm heading off to dreamland - the net's template - nice chatting to you

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 2:55 PM | link to this | reply

Speaking of Dave and birds, he seemed to have that quality

flitting here and there, picking up seeds and dropping them somewhere else (Okay, I don't want to go too far with that analogy) but you know what I mean. 

One of my poems, Noir Desir, was about the unknown source of the unconscious desires, but the same is true of creativity.

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 2:47 PM | link to this | reply

Chris, that's the beauty of the blog or collective unconscious, ideas
spark and you never know where they came from or where they'll lead. 

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 2:45 PM | link to this | reply

you know zena - talking about the na-na na-na stuff (the non-rational)
i posted this poem and it starts 'a bird a bird etc' then i saw you'd put the bird picture on your site and even though i didn't post this in reference to all the Dave stuff - there's a bit of syncronicity here - particularly as the poem has a playful tone and i can see that a mischievous jester quality is something enjoyed in Dave - so I guess i have indirectly added to the dialogue that's currently going on, or been unconsciously affected by it

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 2:39 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Zean works, I kind of wish I'd spelled it Zina instead.
yeh silly old plato - what a hypocrite - socrates, the coronation street of the symposium - he was just a frustrated playwright

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 2:25 PM | link to this | reply

Zean works, I kind of wish I'd spelled it Zina instead.
Subverting the rational? What kind of heretic are you? Apostasy, I tell you!  This is why poets are just not to  be trusted. We're all subversive. Plato knew that. 

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 2:18 PM | link to this | reply

Re: hmmmm
thank you whitenight - i like 'different' - i like 'different' alot - it attracts me

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 2:11 PM | link to this | reply

zean oops zena - i type fadst and spell your name wrong
but 'zean' is quite nice too - thanks for reading the peom (oo[ps oh stuff it) - yes it kind of peters out with the breath - and then starts again with the energy of a new intake - but it was a bit of fun - another association thing sidelining THE RATIONAL (oooooo) - but i love that there's still a hint of sense with this kind of stuff

posted by chrisja on November 1, 2007 at 2:10 PM | link to this | reply

hmmmm
different... different... different.... nice... have a good day... .keep smiling...

posted by whiteknight3128 on November 1, 2007 at 1:29 PM | link to this | reply

Chris, ,I especially liked "Ole".
I didn't read it out loud, but I heard the rhyme, and it looked like the echo trailed off with the font.

posted by Zena77 on November 1, 2007 at 12:53 PM | link to this | reply