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gift - like breathing, earthquakes & russian dolls
the first is life, the second you don't know what it will throw up, and the third is a paradox
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 8:52 PM
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I agree, Chris, creativity is a gift no one can take away
Unless medicate or zap you or you get an illness.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 4:52 PM
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i'm not a buddhist but i can relate to a non-attachment concept here
- i've often asked where my creativity lies, in what i produce or in the place in myself (and of myself), that produces it - what i create is what i can look back on, and is already limited (and vulnerable), but the source is what i look towards, no-one can touch it because it is unlimited - no-one can even get near it except me, and it can't be removed without dire consequences to my bodily existence (my death or unconsciousness or faculty impairment blah blah) - does this sound too simplistic? what do you think?
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 4:26 PM
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I guess the linear part of me is more developed than I thought
I had some good teachers in college. I learned logic and rhetoric, plus not to bs. myself.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 4:19 PM
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It's a body blow, a sucker punch, Chris,
What is more real to a writer than writiing? You're right, losing 5 years of work. BAM at the touch of a bureaucrat's whim, like the head strawman of your dream.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 4:17 PM
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yes but i can see that what your processes reveal are very sharp
there's nothing woolly about what you're seeing and how you react is very direct under its non-linear exterior
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 4:17 PM
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yeh i'm gonna hav to act scared
although it's easy to get blase about a non-physical realm like cyberspace - but i can really hear what it must feel like to have 5 years of your creativity destroyed at the push of a button on an anonymous distant person's whim - that will hurt
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 4:14 PM
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I've learned to think linearly, Chris, but it's like a foreign language
My natural thinking is intuitive, free-assocative, spiraling from A to C to Z, not ABCD.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 4:13 PM
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you asked if what kind of thnker/spirit i am before
i think i've got good respect for both the linear thing and the subversive and am quite practiced in both - although life has forced the pragmatic on me, it doesn't come naturally, but inner landscapes have always had slightly more appeal
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 4:11 PM
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Okay, good
But you're still mixing up prose in the poetry section, and the Poetry Police are going to get really peeved.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 4:09 PM
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Re: Actually, I meant the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz
the mix up was apt becos it was the tin man who needed the heart
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 4:06 PM
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Actually, I meant the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 4:04 PM
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I'm committing all kinds of violations, Chris, what's one more?
Oh, no, not prose in the poetry section. Quick, somebody might report you.
I like the part where they're all dance in synchronicity. I get a vision of the Tin Man in Wizard of Oz, only lots of him, dancing.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 4:03 PM
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zena - now look what you've made me do
i've posted a non-poem in the poetry section - holy guocamole! i hope that's not a serious infringement
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 3:58 PM
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Re: Re: Chris, that's the beauty of the blog or collective unconscious, ideas
actually our conversation is revving me up a bit, i usually only do one post a day (for no reason other than i decided to) but now i have a strong inclination to post a little story that i wrote that came from a dream - i shouldn't post it on the poetry site but i will rationalise it by saying it has come from the same inner place - and the collective unconscious is at work becos i have just read antonioni's guy fawkes post and my story is about a strawman and fear...
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 3:01 PM
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Oh, I just saw your comment that you were off to sleep. Night!
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 3:00 PM
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Re: Re: Speaking of Dave and birds, he seemed to have that quality
Yep, must be true. I've thought of myself as a free bird for a long while. Not a linear thinker. I suppose that's true of most creative types. And you, too?
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 2:58 PM
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Re: Speaking of Dave and birds, he seemed to have that quality
i can see that you're adopting the same qualities - or already possess them - you and Dave - birds of a feather?
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 2:57 PM
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Re: Chris, that's the beauty of the blog or collective unconscious, ideas
yep that's true - i like that - i'm going to let that settle on me - i don't where you are, but this is the end of my day, so i'm heading off to dreamland - the net's template - nice chatting to you
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 2:55 PM
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Speaking of Dave and birds, he seemed to have that quality
flitting here and there, picking up seeds and dropping them somewhere else (Okay, I don't want to go too far with that analogy) but you know what I mean.
One of my poems, Noir Desir, was about the unknown source of the unconscious desires, but the same is true of creativity.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 2:47 PM
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Chris, that's the beauty of the blog or collective unconscious, ideas
spark and you never know where they came from or where they'll lead.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 2:45 PM
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you know zena - talking about the na-na na-na stuff (the non-rational)
i posted this poem and it starts 'a bird a bird etc' then i saw you'd put the bird picture on your site and even though i didn't post this in reference to all the Dave stuff - there's a bit of syncronicity here - particularly as the poem has a playful tone and i can see that a mischievous jester quality is something enjoyed in Dave - so I guess i have indirectly added to the dialogue that's currently going on, or been unconsciously affected by it
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 2:39 PM
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Re: Zean works, I kind of wish I'd spelled it Zina instead.
yeh silly old plato - what a hypocrite - socrates, the coronation street of the symposium - he was just a frustrated playwright
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 2:25 PM
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Zean works, I kind of wish I'd spelled it Zina instead.
Subverting the rational? What kind of heretic are you? Apostasy, I tell you! This is why poets are just not to be trusted. We're all subversive. Plato knew that.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 2:18 PM
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Re: hmmmm
thank you whitenight - i like 'different' - i like 'different' alot - it attracts me
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 2:11 PM
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zean oops zena - i type fadst and spell your name wrong
but 'zean' is quite nice too - thanks for reading the peom (oo[ps oh stuff it) - yes it kind of peters out with the breath - and then starts again with the energy of a new intake - but it was a bit of fun - another association thing sidelining THE RATIONAL (oooooo) - but i love that there's still a hint of sense with this kind of stuff
posted by
chrisja
on November 1, 2007 at 2:10 PM
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hmmmm
different... different... different.... nice... have a good day... .keep smiling...
posted by
whiteknight3128
on November 1, 2007 at 1:29 PM
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Chris, ,I especially liked "Ole".
I didn't read it out loud, but I heard the rhyme, and it looked like the echo trailed off with the font.
posted by
Zena77
on November 1, 2007 at 12:53 PM
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