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Yes, indeed, majestic, and it pisses me off no end these idiot religious
abstinence groups who want to deny reality and human nature but at the same time talk about using condoms and such as a 'sin'.

posted by saul_relative on February 8, 2008 at 1:12 PM | link to this | reply

oh yes...

They sure do experiment at that age!  Kids are smarter than we were 40 years ago.  They have many more resourses than we had right in the home.  ***e.g. internet ***

I have no children, but that makes me one of the best places for the nieces and nephews to go for discussions they cannot have with their parents!  They are absolutely doing a lot more than most parents ever even thought of at that age. 

posted by majesticvisions on February 8, 2008 at 1:04 AM | link to this | reply

Both good points, starfire. But, as with most good ideas and when a
good action plan is known or can be implemented, going to the root of the problem is not what is done.  Instead, we treat the symptom, not the disease.  We do that with most of our social problems.  We incarcerate instead of educate.  We placate instead of educate.  We remedicate or countermedicate instead of educate.  We are such a reactionary society.  And with this situation, we see a move toward providing protection instead of educating the populace.  Nothing like protected ignorant sexually active children... Still, given the choice, I'd much rather see them ignorant and not pregnant and non-diseased than to see them ignorant and pregnant and/or diseased... 

posted by saul_relative on November 3, 2007 at 7:25 PM | link to this | reply

I'd like to add, I'm NOT Opposed to TEENS with Condoms!!

I don't think it's a good idea for Middle schoolers to have condoms, I realize there are more and more becoming pregnant, there's many reasons I don't think people are looking at closely enough, how old is the boyfriend, or WHY are they having sex at that age>???  That's the BIG Q-- WHY??    Not HOW!!  WHat are they missing that they feel the NEED to have Sex??  I think if we concentrate on that, we'll have a better guide to fight this problem... Plus if you do give the condoms out, you should have the partner there too!!  Make sure who ever they plan to sleep with knows what's going on!!  You could have all the boys with condoms, (for ex. only) and the girls don't know what's coming!!  If your going to do this, have EVERYONE, even the "partners" parents involved, so there's truly NO SuRPrises!!!



posted by starfire99 on November 3, 2007 at 4:23 PM | link to this | reply

Abstinence doesn't mean Ignorance....
  Yes kids know about sex, probably more than most of us when we were young...I dont' think the moralists fail to recognize that, they just want to keep some semblance of innocence in children under 15.  I don't think we should give them the tools to act on it freer than we ever did...But DO give them knowledge of what it really involves, and how it's important to wait.  If it truly is with parent consent then the parent is failing to show true guidance in what Serious Matter sex really is... it's not just about the feelings of pleasure at the moment, there are so many other feelings that are attached to having sex at a young age, whether it's wanted or not.  How do I know...I've been there, I'm that "11 yr old" all grown up!!  So don't tell me just because they use a condom it's better than waiting a few years!!

posted by starfire99 on November 3, 2007 at 4:15 PM | link to this | reply

Bravo, Sedona. Bravo. I commend your common sense and practicality.
We stand our moral ground forever and a day and it will not matter one damn bit to those kids in the back seat of a car or in the bedroom of an unparented house.  Our morals (or ethics) will not keep them safe from disease, pregnancy, and parenthood.  And it isn't permissiveness.  It's simple preventive maintenance...

posted by saul_relative on October 29, 2007 at 11:40 PM | link to this | reply

Birth control and kids

When my, now 18 year old daughter, was 13, I took her and we got birth control.  Was I giving her permission to have sex?  No.  The year prior, there had been 16 girls pregnant at her middle school.  There were also a large number of students that aquired genital herpes that year. The birth control and condoms were the only way I had, as a parent, to try and protect her, if she made a stupid decision. I did the same thing with the condoms, with my, now 21 year old son, at about the same age.

I still have an 11 year old boy and 9 year old girl at home. They will be treated the same.

We can teach them morals, but in the long run, we are not with them every minute of every day, and kids do experiment and the do have sex despite what they have been taught. Any parent that thinks "my child wouldn't dare..." is living on another planet.

Great entry! Thanks!

posted by Sedona_Raye on October 29, 2007 at 8:46 AM | link to this | reply

No, katzs, they're smarter than what those parochial moralists think they
are.  People such as yourself see them as they are: growing, thinking, people...

posted by saul_relative on October 23, 2007 at 5:12 PM | link to this | reply

It is wise to give them knowledge about safe sex and dealing with reality rather than being ignorant of the facts. Children today are smarter than what we think they are.katzs

posted by katzs on October 23, 2007 at 4:19 PM | link to this | reply

And that's the gist of my argument as well, richinstore. These moralists
simply presuppose that their children are closet debauchers waiting for a signal to run sexually rampant.  F**king morons shouldn't even have children...

posted by saul_relative on October 23, 2007 at 12:22 PM | link to this | reply

I feel it's better to teach them young before it's too late.

posted by richinstore on October 23, 2007 at 8:41 AM | link to this | reply

I don't beleive it is unethical. It may be immoral, depending on your
particular version of morality, but I do not see anything unethical about pregnancy and disease preventives.  Unethical would be to having the knowledge that these kids may be having sex and still allowing these kids to have unprotected sex.

posted by saul_relative on October 22, 2007 at 1:57 PM | link to this | reply

Well, either way is unethical
If it helps to prevent, that's fine. But we should be more worried about getting a shrink for each one of those kids because of the consequences of their actions.

posted by Matie on October 22, 2007 at 12:49 PM | link to this | reply

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