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thank you FineYoungSinger

posted by Xeno-x on October 9, 2007 at 5:43 AM | link to this | reply

I know it's an old post, but I feel the need to comment.

Perfection is subjective. 

 

Nice post.

posted by FineYoungSinger on October 8, 2007 at 1:23 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Who defines the words we use?
good comment freerain

we take away human comparision and definition and we are no longer left with perfection or imperfection

but perfection in imperfection.

there is no comparision.

and yet there is -- it just is -- life, the world, the universe, everything

and everything has been that way it is for ages.

what we have to realize is that the human condition is part of the whole, and that humans do things that harm other humans.

this is part of it.

the perfection comes in when we accept the human condition, all what is called imperfection, work to improve ourselves in relation to others.

recognize that we will never perfectly operate to perfection.




posted by Xeno-x on July 15, 2007 at 11:10 AM | link to this | reply

Who defines the words we use?

Perfection, being perfect, are words defined "in the eye of the beholder."  To give away to others the "rightness" of defining perfection for yourself sends you on a journey which cannot be fulfilled with joy and peace as you will find yourself denying your own will and passions of the self for the imaginations and critisms of others. 

Perfectness does exist in all things.  It is only when we are made to compare one to another do we slip into an imperfect state of being.  To follow the line of discussion, Jesus saying "Be ye perfect" is not as a challenge put befor us, but a matter of fact.  Consider it a declaration upon us all that we are already perfect and accept and embrace what we are without critism, fault finding, condemnation or crucifiction of the self or others.  After a while, you'll discover the Well from which there is no jealousy, envy, bitterness, deceit or hate. The war waged within ends and peace and joy in living reigns freely.  When we end the war within, we end the wars without. Perfect.

Peace,

FR

posted by freerain on July 14, 2007 at 7:10 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Truth of Perfection
re:  god's word.  Soterios states.  "Since God exhorts us to be holy/perfect as he is holy/perfect, it means that it is within our ability to achieve it."

that is the passage to which i refer when I point out that the Greek word that the 16th Century Anglican interpreters that gave the King James rendered as "perfect", is, in reality, "mature".

perfection is an impossible state to attain.  it never was.

and god never was and never will be perfect.

we place perfection out there as an unattainable goal; then declare ourselves "imperfect", when in fact we are not.

posted by Xeno-x on July 8, 2007 at 2:09 PM | link to this | reply

Truth of Perfection
The truth of perfection is that implies that imperfection exists. It also implies that we are all imperfect & failed to fully understand what is expected of us.

If imperfection didn't exist then there would be no need to attain this state as we would all be there already.

Perfection is a condition of the spirit man within, it is not a condition of the physical body. Living a righteous life is no guarantee of inner perfection.

Because God is a spirit, we must first have faith that he exists in this state. If you have to first see evidence of God before believing, then you will never attain perfection, since you do not even have what it takes to get there.

If you are saying that there is no such thing as perfection then you are saying that God's word is a lie. Since God exhorts us to be holy/perfect as he is holy/perfect, it means that it is within our ability to achieve it.

posted by Soterios on July 8, 2007 at 12:02 PM | link to this | reply

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