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Glad to have your support Glennb. Nothing makes me feel more sure that
something I've written or said has merit than someone referring to me as "dangerous and stupid." Oh, by the way, Glennb. I do have a little training in psycho-ananlysis. How kind of you to point that out...
posted by
saul_relative
on April 18, 2007 at 8:26 PM
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It is indeed a tragedy, on both counts, proc.
posted by
saul_relative
on April 18, 2007 at 8:21 PM
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Proc,
Do you understand the phrase "criminal hypocrisy"? I equate that to the present state of America. They do not blink at the daily carnage on the Planet caused by their madman. But they seek moral damnation and sympathy if their brand of carnage comes home.
Just think about this insanity: If George Bush were to make a 180 right now, all would be well. But he can't reverse the loss of innocent life and his criminal conduct. So there is no turn-around point for this "evil"!
posted by
Glennb
on April 18, 2007 at 7:34 AM
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Saul_Relative,
You need to stop trying to tip-toe through reality! Are you trained in psycho analysis?? What! "Distant from the carnage in Iraq"?? I would guess that most Germans did not think Hitler was an "emotionally and psychologically distrubed madman"! You are a dangerous and very stupid man!
posted by
Glennb
on April 18, 2007 at 4:23 AM
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well, isnt it typical that tragedy is a time for name-calling and blame.
Instead,the real issue here is that it is a tragedy for all. And should be acknowledged as such.
posted by
proc
on April 18, 2007 at 3:56 AM
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Simply because he's human, Glennb. Unless he's a sociopath, which I
don't think he is (a delusional megalomaniac perhaps). Humans are touched by atrocity. Especially when it is connected to something familiar. Iraq is unfamiliar and alien to Bush, far away and distant in both mind and space. But equating the madness of Iraq with this tragic incident is insulting. Even suggesting that the constant media-storm that is Iraq has anything to do with the Virginia Tech massacre is ridiculously unfounded. A madman with psychological and emotional problems killing students in a place of relative safety has absolutely nothing to do with an ill-advised war that began as an economic consideration (about the only theory that makes sense) and devolved into a religio-political struggle. I think Bush an arrogant idiot, not an emotionally and pyschologically disturbed madman...
posted by
saul_relative
on April 17, 2007 at 10:06 PM
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Saul_Relative,
I am concerned that either I am not clear in words or you simply cannot comprehend the English language! The "real" fact that we are bombarded daily with the carnage in Iraq without even a wimper from the anti-gun, anti-violence crowd is a testament to their hypocrisy. What makes you think that George Bush is touched by this carnage in VA? You tell me!
posted by
Glennb
on April 17, 2007 at 8:46 PM
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I'm willing to believe, Glennb, that even the president has his moments.
Whether he read the speech or wrote it himself doesn't matter. This is a sad turn of events and probably has no bearing or connection with Iraq. This is no karmic roulette wheel that happened to stop on Blacksburg. It probably has more to do with psychosis than anything. But all that remains to be seen (or not). I agree that the travesty of Iraq is terrible, but to think without proof that this lunatic's rampage is some sort of cosmic balancing is absurd. Shootings of the best and brightest and good in our world, whether they be in Iraq, the United States, Thailand, or Madagascar, shows that your god is indifferent to suffering, not that he is benevolently selective or holding back the rising tide of evil.
posted by
saul_relative
on April 17, 2007 at 8:25 AM
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Saul_Relative,
I was about to write a post on the subject, then thought why should American tragedy be any more tragic than any other on the Planet (these scenes come to us from Iraq every day)? America gets enough sympathy when media floods the airways with reports of "dead American Treasure"! I have this question: How much carnage and mayhem can we expect to export before it is recycled to America?
Why bother quoting this horse's ass in the White House? There is not a moral bone in his body! Someone gave him a speech and he read it!
Enough already. We are in the midst of moral decay on this Planet. It is God's Grace that "evil" has not consumed us all!
posted by
Glennb
on April 16, 2007 at 11:12 PM
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Thank you, smartdog. We really need to become more preventive about these
incidents. They're such a terrible waste...
posted by
saul_relative
on April 16, 2007 at 10:35 PM
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There are definitely many points to be made here, Gramsci. And I do not
wish to make this incident something it isn't. At the moment, I am confounded, confused, and distracted by this event. Give me a couple days and more facts regarding this case and I'll see if we can't debate the problems here.
posted by
saul_relative
on April 16, 2007 at 10:27 PM
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Saul
Good writing friend. Heartfelt, but not overdone. And this definately a terrible day for our nation.
Be well,
-smartdog
posted by
smartdog_670
on April 16, 2007 at 10:08 PM
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Saul
We can all agree that the events in Virginia were profoundly sad. The people who died are the very epitome of the innocent victim. However, it's important that people don't depoliticise this carnage so that it ceases to mean anything. A continuum of American mass shootings in schools has happened for a reason, and that reason has to be explored in an intelligent and clear-headed way.
The U.S.A. projects its culture forcibly on the world. It is therefore of concern to everyone on the planet if American society is rotten...
posted by
Antipodean
on April 16, 2007 at 10:01 PM
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Thank you, Kabu. This tragedy leaves me without much to say...
posted by
saul_relative
on April 16, 2007 at 9:55 PM
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And we, your friends in Australia grieve with you.
posted by
Kabu
on April 16, 2007 at 9:45 PM
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