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You're wrong, Blanche...
The only personal issues I have in this are about people who do not obey the law and those like you who don't seem to know the difference between right and wrong.
posted by
whimsystoryteller
on November 20, 2006 at 6:36 PM
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Dang typo.....
cis.org
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on November 20, 2006 at 4:28 PM
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Whimsy
there is a group called Center for Immigration Studies that is a non-profit, non0\-partisian group that tracks information on both legal and illegal immigration. There website is cis.or.
Some of the things they have culled from Census data.and accessing Governmental Agency data include....
Based on Census Bureau data, this study finds that, when all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered, illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly $29 billion.
Among the findings:
• Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
• Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches
($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
• With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
• On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.
• Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
• If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.
• Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status — what most illegal aliens would become — can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.
• Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.
• The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain — many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
• The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on November 20, 2006 at 4:27 PM
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There you go again......
Blaming you actions and comment on other people.......It's had to find someone who can sometimes get more personal that you......
Have you bothered to notice that, before this morning, I haven't commented on Whimsey's thread in over 2 months, not a comment while the previous posts here regarding illegals were developing.....in fact it was your comments that piqued my curiosity to see what was being stirred up over here......
I asked you to show a source for your claims....it was certainly no less than what was being demanded of Whimsy......and what I was reading was sure enough pretty personal with references to his family's past.
But you obviously are the one who has chosen to, instead of giving a link with the info backing up you claim, a different route......but certainly not a new route.
Here's a thought.......instead of giving counseling advice to Whimsy.........perhaps you should be working on the root of your anger and frustration instead.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on November 20, 2006 at 4:03 PM
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I'm a pragmatic realist, Ariel, there are untold, uncounted numbers of
illegal aliens, here, and it is debatable what positive and negative impacts they are having on the US economy, my point is simply this: What do we do about this problem?
posted by
Blanche.
on November 20, 2006 at 2:23 PM
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Blanche
I'm not being sarcastic, 'cos I'm sure that you know me better than that, but I must say that I'm intrigued by your comments.
I'm also sure that you know that I'm far from being a racist, so I do feel free to ask you this ; don't you consider that any breach of the rule of law, including illegal immigration, should at least meet with disapproval, if not actual punishment?
Once one begins treating the law as a pick and mix menu, one is on a very slipper slope indeed. You or I might think that a crime is particularly heinous, while another thinks that's trivial ; so where do we go from there?
The law must be above personal preferences and biases, and all must obey it, and be equal under it.
There is far too much moral relativism today, and we should treat all laws with more respect, and do more to enforce them. An idealistic attitude maybe, but without ideals we would live ; we do live in brutal, lawless societies
I'm off to be soon, so I guess I'll have to pick up tomorrow.
posted by
ariel70
on November 20, 2006 at 2:21 PM
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I admit to being harsh, Whimsy, but I could tell you had personal "issues"
you were not dealing with, and scapegoating and projecting the fact that YOU cannot get welfare onto illegal aliens, who may or may not be "illegal" as you have still not adequately proved to my or Professor Peabody's satisfaction that your neighbors are indeed "illegals" and that you are not merely projecting your anger and frustration, as is only human and as we all do, (myself included).
For making the argument personal, I apologize, although, I'm not sure that PP will, as he is more stubborn than I am. I never meant to hurt your feelings, as mine have been in the past by Corbin Dallas and other Republicans who made the argument personal and insulting. I am sorry I took my feelings about Corbin Dallas and others with whom I've argued out on you. You are you, and not him.
I hope you get the help you need, including counseling on whom to really be angry with, it's not really the "illegal immigrants' that are the root of your anger and frustration, I don't think.
posted by
Blanche.
on November 20, 2006 at 1:57 PM
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