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Apology to Blanche...
First of all, I never intended to question that you are a Christian but the Bible does say that out of the heart the mouth speaks and since much of what you said was contrary to the Word of God, that's what I questioned.

Secondly, I'm not making assumptions about illegals getting welfare and government assistance.  They don't do it through their own birth certificates, they do it through their children.  If a child is born in the U.S., they are automatically considered a U.S. citizen and their parents can apply for welfare, etc. because of the child. 

Also, I spoke with someone whose friend works for GR or welfare and he told her that the social workers often pass through illegals into the system to get them help even though it's illegal.  You see, once someone has a government job, it's very hard to fire them.  And, that comes straight from the mouth of a higher up who works for the government, so most social workers do not fear any reprisal for doing what they do. 

As far as the workers up in your area are concerned, I'm sure you're right.  However, there's a big difference between what is happening up in the northern Pacific area and what is happening in Los Angeles and the rest of southern California and I think you should check out what's happening down here before you assume that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Also, regarding people here saving money and sending it to Mexico to retire.  That's garbage.  I'm not saying that no one is doing that but most of the people down in this area send money back to Mexico to help their relatives escape Mexico to come here.  We see it constantly.

Like I said, I live in a Latino neighborhood and I see all of this first hand.  To accuse me of having something against these people because of their race is absurd.  I like many of the people in this neighborhood.  They are very sweet people but they don't seem to know the difference between right and wrong.

posted by whimsystoryteller on November 15, 2006 at 12:53 PM | link to this | reply

I'm going to do more research on the topic, JanesOpinion, I need to study
it before I can say definitely or back up my opinions with fact, which Whimsy is right about.  Facts speak for themselves, it's just that I need to see credible, objective sources.

posted by Blanche. on November 14, 2006 at 6:02 PM | link to this | reply

Blanche -- my pleasure. It is a complex topic, eh?
I think a lot of the "illegals" have family support on this side of the border.  There is a strong community network -- my family is your family -- type attitude amongst Hispanics.  So you need some documentation?  I'll help you,  you help me . . . . 

posted by JanesOpinion on November 14, 2006 at 5:59 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks for your measured input, JanesOpinion, I think we should all do

some research on how easy or not it is for illegal Mexican aliens to obtain the necesssary documentation, such as Social security numbers, and birth certificates and get some real facts on which to base our opinions.

I will admit I don't have them at hand, but I am skeptical, that the social services are so lax in demanding proper documentation that they allow this scale of fraud.

posted by Blanche. on November 14, 2006 at 5:31 PM | link to this | reply

Not to oversimplify things here,

but I would venture to guess that both Blanche and whimsy are correct here.  I think there is tremendous loyalty amongst illegal Mexicans for their home country.  They routinely send money back to Mexico, often with the goal of retiring in Mexico and living well off the fruit of their labors.  I think a lot of people are truly illegal and paid in cash.  The US coffers see nary a dime except for the taxes from purchases.  As well, it is my understanding that there is a large crime/mob family in Mexico whose primary industry is producing illegal documents for illegals, using names and social security numbers from deceased Americans.  Perhaps there are several of these families.  I don't know.

That said, I would venture to guess that there are illegals who somehow obtain legal documentation or some sort of temporary green card status that has to be renewed on a regular basis.  That sort of story was in the paper here in Michigan recently -- a young single mom came here illegally as a child, grew up, had a kid, and now has a green card but the catch is that it has to be renewed yearly, and she always lives in fear that it won't be renewed.  She does pay taxes, works hard and contributes to society. 

I live in Holland, MI and there are some streets in this city that are distinctly Mexican.  The green, red and white flag is flying proudly, the homes are almost always dumpy (sorry, not intending to be racist but that's how the majority are, and it is more obvious next to the Dutch living here who tend to be very, very tidy!), the cars are low riders.  The migrants come north during the summer to pick produce and such, often returning either to Texas or Mexico for the winter.  Many have stayed, though, and made Michigan home.  Many are illegal, quite a number end up on welfare (I see them or their kids in the office) but I think most have legal status, pay taxes, work hard . . . .

No easy answers here, eh?  How do you show people the love of God while at the same time desiring to enforce the laws of the land? 

posted by JanesOpinion on November 14, 2006 at 5:28 PM | link to this | reply

Whimsystoryteller, I have been busy praying for guidance on how to answer

you.  I would hope that two Christians such as ourselves, (and I despite your email denouncing my Christianity, which I found highly offensive, since YOU are not privy to my own personal relationship to Christ, which is unique and individulal as a snowflake to each one of us and I can assure you that my own personal rebirth is as genuine and dramatic as it gets), could reason together as Paul recommends in his letter.

Then let us reason together over this issue. Number one, I don't know where you get your facts, but I am highly dubious of the ability of illegal aliens, ie, Mexicans (never Canadians, I wonder why, what is it about Canada that doesn't inspire them to come south?), can obtain fraudulent Social security cards and use them in the fashion that you suggest, to obtain illegal social welfare benefits.

How do they do this?  How is the social welfare system, which demands birth certificates, driver's license and social security numbers, obtain them so easily? Is there that big a fraud ring and how is it that the Social Security Administration is so lax in allowing this fraud. It would seem to be an easy way to screen illegal aliens out, merely by requesting documentation.

I don't know if you know your facts as well as you assume you do. You know what they say about ASS-uming.  When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.  Tsk. 

There are many hard-working hispanics in the Seattle metropolitan area, in the construction trades, domestic, and fast food, as well as orchards. Los Angeles may think that it's the only city in the country, but, in fact it is not.

And a racist, is by definition, one who makes broad, sweeping overgeneralizations based on nothing but prejudices, unsusbstantiated by fact.

Your sister in Christ, Blanche.

posted by Blanche. on November 14, 2006 at 4:05 PM | link to this | reply