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You are amazing, of all the questions I have ever
seen, heard or read this one blows my mind. As surgical scrub tech assisting in over 600 hundred deliveries I never once thought of anything even close to this. I saw stillborns, slow breathers, babies with missing parts, and babies from miscarriages and even thought that the birth canal could have anything to do with the condition of these babies. Wow! if you ever get an answer I sure would like to know it! Keep thinking and keep writing,
faholo
posted by
faholo
on September 27, 2006 at 6:05 PM
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Xeno-x What a deep understanding ! Congrats. We will Sir, talk more on this
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on August 31, 2006 at 10:39 AM
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Shamsuddin_Jim
good question
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 30, 2006 at 9:13 AM
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How can any human say anything intelligent about anything?
posted by
Shams-i-Heartsong
on August 30, 2006 at 8:39 AM
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Bhaskar.ing
in order to have at least the slightest inkling of what the Universe is really about (the sum total of science probably knows less than 0.01% [so imagine any individual's inkling]) one has to clear one's mind of ALL preconceived notions.
and then observe. experience
i think i discard what i have discovered to be invalid and then pick up what i perceive as valid, and then more valid, thus, I think I understand more (know? hardly -- no one really knows).
from my personal experience, I perceive that there is an impetus in the workings of the universe, in what I perceive around me.
we come back to some of the original writers of great religious works, where there is no flack around them.
first, the term YHVH, which means, essentially, "EXISTENCE" -- all that exists -- and then one's own existence. Using this appellation, the compilers (was it a "light"?) recognized the essence of god.
then the term, LOGOS, used in John 1. This means expression, purpose, and by inference, intent.
i don't anyone can doubt that a purpose, or intent, seems to drive the universe. the intention is evolution moving from a point to a point (infinite, really) progressing, evolving, changing.
we aren't looking at a smooth ascent here, like an inclined plane moving progressively upward. Rather, we are looking at hits and misses, starts and stops, advances and regressions, a process of trial and error to reach the point where we now are.
i personally can see some "purposeful" activity -- let's call it purposeful -- lets not really try to define it though -- ok?
full reality would be mind blowing really. an attempt at an explanation would fill 1,000 page volumes.
we live, we exist, we learn, understand, realize, experience and maybe get an inkling of a little more than we had an inkling of when we started out.
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 30, 2006 at 8:03 AM
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Xeno-x.That was a very interesting argument advanced.
Some words I'd like to say in the context:
A growing school of thought, particularly in the US, is convinced that the universe was possibly created not only by random mutation and natural selection as Darwin suggested, but by Intelligent Design of an unseen Power as well.
Physicists David Wolpert and William Macready derived the ‘No Free Lunch’ theorem in the late nineties. To reach the top of the highest mountain, one may start walking in a specific direction with the highest point in view, or: one can start walking in a random direction. The duo showed that the chance of the person reaching the highest peak was equal under both circumstances.
Though the balance of evidence seems to favour evolution, holding it up as the only truth can lead to grave social consequences.
We have a difficult problem before us. The development of Nature appears to be due to natural selection; but this idea could lead to licence which is unacceptable. Perhaps the solution lies in differentiating between the levels at which intelligent design and natural selection operate. The Māndukya Upanishad says Brahman manifested itself at all levels of Ishwara, Hiranyagarbha and Virāt. Intelligent Design operates at the level of Brahman, while natural selection works at the level of the material world or Virāt.
We have a difficult problem before us. The development of nature appears to be due to natural selection; but this idea could lead to licence which is unacceptable. Perhaps the solution lies in differentiating between the levels at which intelligent design and natural selection operate. The Māndukya Upanishad says Brahman manifested itself at all levels of Ishwara, Hiranyagarbha and Virāt. Intelligent Design operates at the level of Brahman, while natural selection works at the level of the material world or Virāt.
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on August 29, 2006 at 11:40 PM
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Sorry for once again posting on this blog...
But it is as response to your comment on mine and I thought I'll reply in kind by commenting (and giving you a bit of money in the process) back this way.
Just want to say I understand and respect you for your views, even though I also do not necessary aree.
I just feel I must add that some of the biggest reasons for the start of my blog was as follows:
1. To try and prevent people from generalising "old-fashioned" Christians like myself. Just as not all politicians are honest or truely out to promote democracy, not all Christians like myself act our lives out in the same, one specific way.
2. To show that there are Christians out there that do respect other people's views, even though we might not agree or in some instances condone it.
3. To show that we can also have open minds and debate issues with facts without consorting to unnecessary emotional arguments e.g. saying I believe so damn the rest of the world.
I hope I am making sense, but it is 08:15 pm here and I had a hard day at work, therefore very tired at the moment.
Have a wonderful day and thanks for the welcome to blogit.
posted by
SevenStars
on August 29, 2006 at 11:17 AM
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Thank you very much
For your words on my one blog.
It really meant a lot to me.
posted by
SevenStars
on August 29, 2006 at 10:49 AM
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thank you sevenstars
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 29, 2006 at 6:35 AM
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Just a humble thought
Being human, we would expel from our lives physical pain and mental anguish and assure ourselves of continual ease and comfort, but if we were to close the doors upon sorrow and distress, we might be excluding our greatest friends and benefactors. Suffering can make saints of people as they learn patience, long-suffering, and self-mastery.
posted by
SevenStars
on August 29, 2006 at 12:41 AM
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Robert Browning Hamilton wrote -
I walked a mile with Pleasure.
She chattered all the way,
But left me none the wiser
For all she had to say.
I walked a mile with sorrow,
And ne'er a word said she;
But oh, the things I learned from her
When sorrow walked with me!!
posted by
SevenStars
on August 29, 2006 at 12:40 AM
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