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Rarmcwa: The 'constitution in exile' and the 'constitution held hostage'

people are chipping away at the foundation of our democracy. These are the same people who believe that you can't have morals unless you're a Christian, as if the concepts of right and wrong are Christian exclusive. Most of our legislators and judges consider themselves Christians, as do over 85 % of the populace, so just who or what are these few godless that have the nation's laws, it's way of life, and the constitution surrounded and at defeat's door?

posted by saul_relative on September 17, 2006 at 10:02 PM | link to this | reply

Church, state and the possibility of cross-pollution

It would be my observation that the state is far more likely to pollute the church than the church to pollute the state. When the institutional boundaries are erased, as they were in Europe for a couple of thouand years, politicians do terrible things, acting, by their lights, under the aegis of "a higher authority."

Under that rubric, we see all kinds of mini-Armageddons, including, but not limited to The English Civil War, The 30 Years War, the mayhem in Northern Ireland and the Holocaust perpertrated upon European Jewery during the good Christian reign of Adolph Hitler (who famously remarked, "Who knows but that God is not on our side?" Who indeed!?!).

The Founding Fathers, descendents of two thousand years of European thuggery in the name of God, wisely included in our First Amendment the Establishment Clause. It means what it says, regardless of what Pat Robertson and his rancid ilk may have told you.

Speaking of which, instead of all these public monuments to the 10 Commandments on public property (with the implicit message that "All Americans are equal, but some are more equal than others"), how about public monuments to the 10 Amendments.

A decalogue is a decalogue, and some of us think the identical count of essential dos and don'ts in the Bible and the Constitution isn't exactly a coincidence. Perhaps God employed Madison, Hamilton, Jefferson, Franklin & Company to give us an update on the ancient rules of behavior?

After all, the Establishment Clause is essentially a secular restating of the wisdom of Jesus, Who said, "Render unto Ceasar those things which are Ceasar's, and unto The Lord those things which are The Lord's." Leastways, that's what it says in my Bible, in illuminated letters.

Hey, just for grins, let's all copy that page from Matthew and send the copy to Robertson, Falwell, et. al.

Fun? You betcha!

posted by Rarmcwa on September 17, 2006 at 8:38 AM | link to this | reply

So very true, faholo. The church favors the politicians it feels will

strengthen their way of life. Politicians pay lip service and curry favor of the church.

posted by saul_relative on August 26, 2006 at 9:01 PM | link to this | reply

The line between Church and State is very narrow and in time we will not

have separation of Church and State. Each uses this principle for its own selfish advantage. faholo

posted by faholo on August 26, 2006 at 10:42 AM | link to this | reply

The rich get richer, the powerful more powerful, the laws are changed to

insure the gap widens, and politics becomes the land of those who have the money. Where does that leave the rest of us? Turning to the church to be assured that the hereafter is far better than the now. This connection is becoming more prevalent and is a self-perpetuating cycle.

posted by saul_relative on August 24, 2006 at 12:09 PM | link to this | reply

The news and politics are for professional masochists like myself,

appleworks. Just drop in anytime you need an update on the current insanity.

posted by saul_relative on August 24, 2006 at 11:59 AM | link to this | reply

Not surprising but still pathetic

And if Republicans stay in power, they will eventually find a way to restore the tax exempt status. Democracy will fade to the faintest of lines, imo.

Thanks for informing Saul.

posted by Katray2 on August 24, 2006 at 6:15 AM | link to this | reply

saul

i dont read papers or watch news. if i do i would like to read more here in blogit on politics.