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This all seems to be......"much ado about nothing"? 

Shelly do you pay for your blog site?  Write and post what every you want....if someone doesn't like it they don't have to read you....or comment.   Way too much being made of this.......

OMHO

posted by Corbin_Dallas on July 21, 2006 at 5:23 AM | link to this | reply

Passionflower, all this is for you

• I can't read any due respect in the way that you've launched into me there.
• Once Shelly made her post here on this issue, she placed herself upon a soapbox - she  expressed an opinion in an open forum, which presumably she is now holding up for scrutiny and is also inviting responses upon, for or against. If I choose to come in here and reply to it, then I am standing near to Shelly's soapbox and I'm engaging in a debate which she has opened. Or are we just supposed to all agree with everything that's blogged?
• Although I spent a long time carefully answering the points that Shelly raised, Shelly is under no obligation to give me an answer. I'd like answers, but she's free not to give any. Anyone who knows me here, yourself and Shelly included, should know that I don't expect an answer, I'd like an answer. Also note that at the moment, I've answered them here and specifically not run off and jumped on the soapbox of my own blogs - I might do that later if I don't get any reasonable responses from Shelly or from you, but I haven't done it yet.
• You're not giving me any indication that you understand what my proposal is, you're just telling me to shut up - you're saying that I shouldn't pursue my opinions and I shouldn't correct misrepresentations of what my argument is - let's be clear on this once again: my argument is now and always has been that Dist List posting should be taken out of the ratings equation. It has never been that it should be banned. I'd be interested to know whether you've read what I said below and what your opinion on it is. It's simply not a match-winning argument to tell someone to shut up.
• Answering a person's argument, point by point, as I've done in my first comment here, is surely an adult way to go forward - you're surely not suggesting that a grown-up response would be to put up and shut up? That's a child's response.
• If I was to shut up, I don't think the debate would go away. It's been raised before by others and there are other bloggers here today who are in support of my proposal - just go to the Community area and see for yourself.
• Your definition of BS seems to be my questioning of the status quo, whereas I see myself as taking on the challenge of trying to sort out some of the BS that's been around ever since I joined this site - I too object to bloggers who have used Blogit in several different manners. But they're free to continue using it in the manner they see fit, and I'm free, surely, to question any of those manners which I regard as unfit.

Now if Shelly wants me to leave her alone, I'm perfectly happy to do so. If she doesn't want to continue the conversation she started with this post, then fine, but she hasn't said that to me, you've said it for her. Who's doing the bullying? I've asked her respectfully whether she intends to reply, but you're telling her not to and you're telling me to shut up!

posted by _dave_says_ack_ on July 21, 2006 at 1:33 AM | link to this | reply

Passion, whoa...you go girl!! Thanks!

posted by shelly_b on July 20, 2006 at 7:46 PM | link to this | reply

Shelly...I don't think you should be co-erced into reading

ANYTHING AT ALL!

You're under NO Obligation to read anything you don't feel like reading. Don't be bullied!!!!!!!!!!!

posted by Passionflower on July 20, 2006 at 7:08 PM | link to this | reply

Dave, all due respect....

There wouldn't BE a debate, if you'd shut up! You're the one who is keeping the BS stirred up and I object to someone using Blogit in such a manner.

Now come down off your Soapbox and try to behave like a grown-up.

posted by Passionflower on July 20, 2006 at 7:03 PM | link to this | reply

Dave, will do.

posted by shelly_b on July 20, 2006 at 4:38 PM | link to this | reply

Shelly, that's fine. I can be patient. Just give me a nudge when you want

me to read your reply. I do want to hear it.

posted by _dave_says_ack_ on July 20, 2006 at 4:37 PM | link to this | reply

Dear Dave, I have not given you reply yet because of personal

reasons.  There was a big change in my life recently and I have been emotional.  I shouldn't have brought up the subject of the lists, because I know I just don't have the energy for a debate, right now.  That was my bad.  Oh, and this isn't an excuse, I just don't feel up to it right now.  I will look at your proposal again, and give my response when I am ready.  Thanks.

posted by shelly_b on July 20, 2006 at 4:35 PM | link to this | reply

Hi Shelly,

You've still not given me an answer on my Dist List proposal. You said you were going to, but you haven't so far.

If you're not going to answer me, I think it's only fair that you tell me so. I keep coming back to read your reply, but it's not appeared yet.

I would really appreciate a reply.

Regards,

Dave.

posted by _dave_says_ack_ on July 20, 2006 at 4:17 PM | link to this | reply

TAPS, thank you for your comment....

I agree, if the headline states that it is a list posted, then that gives a blogger the option to click or not...I have seen no tricky headlines when a list is posted.

posted by shelly_b on July 20, 2006 at 3:57 PM | link to this | reply

shellyb, Quite some time back I agreed to not read distribution lists and my name was put on a list for that somewhere.  I agreed to do that because I don't like to read or post distribution lists anyway so it was no skin off of my nose.   But, if someone wants to post one, it doesn't bother me at all as long as the title shows what it is so that I can move on.   To me it is no big deal.  

posted by TAPS. on July 20, 2006 at 3:51 PM | link to this | reply

Hahaha Shelly, yes I'll have to admit that!

posted by RckyMtnActivist on July 20, 2006 at 3:33 PM | link to this | reply

Rcky, LOL...I bet his sense of humor isn't the only thing that cheers

you up!    LOL

posted by shelly_b on July 20, 2006 at 3:31 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks Shelly....I'll feel better when my husband gets home...he always

cheers me up, he has a great sense of humor.

posted by RckyMtnActivist on July 20, 2006 at 3:30 PM | link to this | reply

Rcky, LOL....trust me, I know! LOL I'm sorry to hear it..

I hope you feel better soon!

posted by shelly_b on July 20, 2006 at 3:26 PM | link to this | reply

Shelly, well it's one of those days I am a bit under the weather....

no reason just a bit down..you know us women!

posted by RckyMtnActivist on July 20, 2006 at 3:24 PM | link to this | reply

Rcky, doing fine, and you?

posted by shelly_b on July 20, 2006 at 3:19 PM | link to this | reply

Hi Shelly, how are you doing today?

posted by RckyMtnActivist on July 20, 2006 at 3:17 PM | link to this | reply

Shelly,

I found the perfect answer to the burning question of the Who I Read List: as soon as you know what it is, begin ignoring it.  I have been doing that since Day One, and it has been very successful.
       ©  ® ™  ± ≠

posted by Jack_Flash on July 20, 2006 at 2:33 AM | link to this | reply

No answer for me then Shelly?

posted by _dave_says_ack_ on July 20, 2006 at 12:15 AM | link to this | reply

Wow....

All of this over a distribution list?    Personally, I won't do it....I might have a few people here that I read that I wouldn't want anyone else to know I do?  Besides........it's your personal blog......you pay for....so you can do what you want.......

I like Shelly's....  If you don't like...don't click

posted by Corbin_Dallas on July 19, 2006 at 6:23 PM | link to this | reply

Rcky, thank you! This is what I'm trying to tell these bloggers!

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:48 PM | link to this | reply

Life's too short...there is more important stuff to disagree on! LOL

posted by RckyMtnActivist on July 19, 2006 at 2:46 PM | link to this | reply

Rcky, thanks...I didn't really want to get into this whole thing...

I just don't want the bloggers who do posts these lists to get criticized every time they do.

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:45 PM | link to this | reply

Mari-am, thanks for stopping by!

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:42 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks, A&B!!

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:41 PM | link to this | reply

Hi Shelly....how are you? Boy I never realized this was such a hot topic.

I really don't care either way so I am keeping neutral. Sorry for all this going on however.

posted by RckyMtnActivist on July 19, 2006 at 2:41 PM | link to this | reply

posted by A-and-B on July 19, 2006 at 2:41 PM | link to this | reply

Nanaroo, LOL, how could you miss it?? LOL

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:41 PM | link to this | reply

bel, I think it has too!

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:38 PM | link to this | reply

Pat, good point!

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:37 PM | link to this | reply

ShellyB, you are most welcomed!

posted by MountainClimber57 on July 19, 2006 at 2:36 PM | link to this | reply

schatz, I toally agree!

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:36 PM | link to this | reply

Mountain and Offbeats, thanks!

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:35 PM | link to this | reply

Dave, I just got off of work..in a moment I will read your comment...

and have a reply...thanks.

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 2:27 PM | link to this | reply

good points

 you are the angle of the blogers hurts ,.

posted by Rosetree on July 19, 2006 at 11:39 AM | link to this | reply

Is there a reply coming for me, Shelly?

posted by _dave_says_ack_ on July 19, 2006 at 11:39 AM | link to this | reply

Justi, my dear....there isn't much to miss...just the same old silly stuff.

posted by shelly_b on July 19, 2006 at 10:54 AM | link to this | reply

Shellyb

Well gee whizz I miss everything.

posted by Justi on July 19, 2006 at 10:51 AM | link to this | reply

Shelly, I couldn't agree more!

posted by MandaLee on July 19, 2006 at 8:21 AM | link to this | reply

Bel, that puts you in category four, I reckon, as listed in my last comment

Therefore, my proposal should make you happy. No more debate to get out of hand.

posted by _dave_says_ack_ on July 19, 2006 at 8:09 AM | link to this | reply

shellyb

  wow, I didn't know about all the discussion regarding distribution lists!

posted by Nanaroo on July 19, 2006 at 7:42 AM | link to this | reply

I can see both sides of this

and I simply just don't read dist lists.  I don't care either way.  What someone does on their own blog that they pay to have is their business.  If I don't like it, then I don't click.

I do think the entire debate has gotten out of hand at this point.

posted by bel_1965 on July 19, 2006 at 7:39 AM | link to this | reply

Shelly, here are some of my thoughts in response.

I wrote a long response to you when you commented on my Dist List post recently, but you don't appear to have read it. I'm not sure that you've read or understood the proposal I made to Blogit either. I hope to make myself clear here and have provided links for you to see what I've already said.

 

First of all, yes I will do anything I can to oppose the posting of Distribution Lists, you're dead right about that. I was opposing them before you arrived at Blogit and it may well be, in part, down to my persistent nagging that not so many of them are posted today. I introduced a voluntary code in order to persuade bloggers to choose not to post them. It is difficult however for old and new bloggers alike to choose not to post them when fellow bloggers continue to use them.

 

Your "Don't like, don't click" policy is sound. I operate it myself on Dist Lists and have encouraged others to do the same. I also operate it on entire blogs when I see fit. I would also encourage you and any other blogger who doesn't like the opposition to DLs to do the same. Don't click. If you hadn't read my DL post, you wouldn't have had anything to write about here. I'm not going to stop opposing the DL, so my advice to you would be not to click when you see me write a headline about it. You should follow your own policy and let me be.

 

Moving onto the lists themselves, yes I don't like the DL and I will never read one. But you cannot possibly have read my proposal judging by what you've said in this post. My proposal says this:

 

That Blogit should set up a not-for-clicks link to the DL, which is activated by bloggers based on their own personal choice.

 

Which means three things:

 

·       Any blogger can allow access to their DL so all bloggers who like to POST them are happy

·       If access is allowed to others, then any blogger can READ available lists whenever they choose to so all bloggers who like to read them are happy

·       There is then no need for any blogger to post a DL to a blog so bloggers who DESPISE them as lazy attention-grabbing tricks are happy

 

If you then add in a fourth group of bloggers who couldn't give a  monkey's about DLs and just want to write good stuff and read good stuff, then I believe ALL OF BLOGIT will be happy, because that fourth group will no longer have to put up with the battling on either side of the debate.

 

The only argument that I can see against this is that a blogger wants to keep the status quo because they know that if they post their DL, they will shoot up the rankings. If you've got any other arguments, please let me know. Even this post about DLs will have shot up the rankings today. People love them, people hate them or people are tired of the debate - my proposal makes everyone happy.

 

Lastly, your opinion as to what constitutes 'negativity' is not held by all, certainly not by myself. I actually see my moves to reform the availability of the DL as a positive move to make Blogit a more harmonious place.

 

So, read the proposal please and put forward your opinion about the proposal.  Not your opinion about me, not your opinion about my blogs, not your opinion about my hatred of the DL - your opinion about the proposal itself.

 

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As for the other stuff I can't stand about certain blogging tactics, we'll leave that for another day. The big five negatives, as I see it, are all tackled head-on in my newest blog which you have attacked here. If you don't like it, don't click.

 

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Here is a link to the extensive replies I gave you which you don't appear to have read: permalink

 

Here is a link to the proposal I put to Blogit in the Community Area, which you also don't appear to have read: Please click here

 

And if you're still going to continue to tell me to shut up, fair enough, that's your choice. But I won't be shutting up - and that's my choice.

 

I'd like to hear what you've got to say, whether you say it here, on my blog, or in the Community Area where the proposal sits.

 

Regards,

 

Dave.

posted by _dave_says_ack_ on July 19, 2006 at 7:34 AM | link to this | reply

Well, IMHO - printing a distribution list is a non-issue

It doesn't matter a tinker's dam to anyone. It doesn't lower your cholesterol or supply any percentage of your MDR of veggies. It doesn't make you look five pounds thinner or update your wardrobe. It's not delicious with chocolate poured over it, and it doesn't make your mother-in-law less likely to interfere in your  life. All the debate does is distract us from the real issue -- which is writing something well enough to attract readers and get them to write thoughtful or funny responses.

posted by Pat_B on July 19, 2006 at 7:03 AM | link to this | reply

I think everyone should write whatever they want, and likewise in their

reading. Also listening, eating, viewing, buying, whatever. I think if you are not hurting anyone, then so be it.

It's your thang, do whatcha wanna do, do. :)

posted by Schatz on July 19, 2006 at 5:28 AM | link to this | reply

shelly

Right on!!!

posted by Offy on July 19, 2006 at 5:19 AM | link to this | reply

ShellyB, If they fell that way, then just encourage them to read you and me

and truly the difference that will gladly see!   God bless, have a good day!

posted by MountainClimber57 on July 19, 2006 at 5:14 AM | link to this | reply