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Scoop,
Americans would have no part of 8 years ago! But things are different now, some people have lost everything and will take any work that they can find! The rich are getting richer but the poor are getting desperate, and will take any work to put food on the table!
While things might be good for you, things are bad for a large part of the country. More people are loosing their jobs to companies overseas or American companies outsourcing the jobs. The key here is that the immagrats are "ILLEGAL", they should not be here to begin with. If our border control were improved or even working this would not even be an issue. These people should not be here! They are not AMERICANS!!!!!! They are illegals, they should be sent home!
posted by
sassmeback
on March 29, 2006 at 4:04 PM
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Corbin
I never could understand this…….we have so many corporations that moved to Mexico, and then the Mexicans come here to the U.S. to work
I disagree with sassmeback on the comment, "These illegal immigrats are taking paying jobs away from Americans. Americans that need the work, people that are trying to provide for their families, rebuild their lives after Katrina."
As we all know many of these jobs the Mexican workers do, Americans will have no part of.
posted by
scoop
on March 29, 2006 at 10:31 AM
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I think that the United States...
should simply declare all these illegal immigrants criminals and ship them back to their country. We should actually start billing their countries every time we catch them and deport them. Maybe these countries would do more to prevent these people from leaving.
Perhaps pulling our troops out of Iraq and putting them on Border control would help. I think perhaps it has come the day to build the ten foot wall on our border. These illegal immigrats are taking paying jobs away from Americans. Americans that need the work, people that are trying to provide for their families, rebuild their lives after Katrina.
We need to provide for the people of our country before we start to take care of everyone else.
posted by
sassmeback
on March 29, 2006 at 10:17 AM
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actually what threatens the middle class
are the jobs overseas at $2/day.
look at wha tyou buy and see where it's made
China comes up as no. 1.
everything I see on the store shelves just about is made in China.
so fruit picking would become a middle class job?
never was.
first the Okies
then the migrant workers legally here
and now the illegals in many instances.
middle is manufacturing, white collar, IT, etc.
farm workers have always been at the bottom.
posted by
Xeno-x
on March 29, 2006 at 8:15 AM
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the jobs that illegals do
as i described there
by the way , $8/hr is good wages for a considerable percentage of Americans.
you didn't anser my questions.
first -- who would take a job that the illegals take.
their wages are a small percentage of the $8/hr.
their living conditions are atrocious -- housing , wages, health, health care, nutrition, -- it's all atrocious.
ande please answer this next question willyou? -- you didn't. butr that's the way of conservatives -- Bush does it all the time -- to not anser questions posed and go on to something unrelated to the question so as to divert attention away from the real problems.
the question is:
if we decide to disallow illegals, then those who have employed them wiull then have to provide good wagesa, housing, working conditons and health insurance and all the amenities that Americans expect.
this would result in a considerable increase in prices.
so if you are so gung ho about barring illegals, then are you willing to pay twice or maybe even more for your oranges, other citrus products and other produce than you do now? That is what we would have to pay for such.
actually people would complain to high heaven about the increase in prices -- and we would then be donig what we do now with the immense majority of manufactured and other goods -- the orange and other produce would be grown and picked in Asian countries and shipped over here to be sold in the supermarkets at a fracton of the price we would be paying for them were they grown here in the U.S.
probably at Wal-Mart.
posted by
Xeno-x
on March 29, 2006 at 8:11 AM
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Xeno......
On your question about the jobs......economically, these programs don't help our country, but hinder its growth.
Americans are conditioned to believe that illegal aliens support our workforce, because they supposedly take jobs Americans will not do. The reality is, employers hire illegal workers who will work for much less than legal workers, driving wages down and making it impossible for legal workers to compete.
There is no job Americans will not do. The hottest, most difficult, dirtiest and dangerous job in the world is rooting terrorists out of Fallujah. Marines are doing that job for $8.09 an hour.
The core of the strength of America has always been an ever-broadening middle class. The flood of immigration, both legal and illegal threatens an eventual destruction of the middle class and is resulting in the creation of a servant class. We cannot stand by while our middle class is eroded so that the ruling class in America can create a servant class for themselves.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on March 29, 2006 at 7:35 AM
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Xeno......
We Republicanshave differing views on several issues and are allowed to express them in our party.......not so on the left.....where you get shouted down, or left off the program........
Recent polls show that about six in 10 Americans oppose letting illegal immigrants remain in the country and apply for citizenship and three of every four don't believe the government is doing enough to stem the continuing tide of new arrivals.
A significant majority of Americans oppose allowing illegals to stay here and apply for citizenship. Furthermore, the Republican base is -- and has been -- breathing fire over this issue for years. So, in an election year, when the base is already demoralized, the Republicans in the Senate are going to tell us, and the majority of American citizens, to go straight to hell on a critically important issue? Does that really make sense politically?
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on March 29, 2006 at 7:30 AM
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let me be liberal here
you always paint a picture in black and white
and we all know that it isn't.
admittedly we do have a problem here. illegals are exploited because they are illegal. they are treated very much like dirt because they are afraid to speak up for rights that the rest of us have. their living and workingconditons on farms and in other places are atrocious -- and their employers make profits because of this. And this is mainly unnnoticed.
I see where it would be good to erase their illegality. Then they could have good housing, wages and health care.
the alternative -- give the jobs to Americans?
do you know anyone who want many of these jobs?
I think you would answer no.
would you want to work in hot fields half a day and live in bare existence housing? Would you want to have to move hundreds of miles to keep up with the work that is offered -- these people don't stay in one place very long because the picking is over in weeks in that place and they have to move in trucks and busses to the next place to work.
And -- here is the real question -- would you be willing to pay more for the produce because either 1) -- these now legal workers are receiving the same benefits as the rest of us -- or -- 2) now "regular" americans have the jobs and won't settle for the bullshit wages and other benefits that these employers can now give to the illegals?
well ..... ?
would you?
posted by
Xeno-x
on March 28, 2006 at 3:28 PM
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Hahahaha - I guess the conservative base isn't as ....
conservative as you true believers would like to believe. It is refreshing, however, to see you call Republicans names.
posted by
fwmystic
on March 28, 2006 at 2:25 PM
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CD, Tom Petres writes that any corporation
That fails to recognize its new realities will go out of business. Sad but we are going to have to begin thinking out of the box here. If we maintained open borders during a time of economic implosion, and we are responsible for our actions, then we accept the consequences. Great, tgouhgt-provoking post!
posted by
kingmi
on March 28, 2006 at 1:18 PM
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Well, I'm certainly not a Conservative Republican, but ...
I completely agree. This is a horrible piece of legislation. You summed up precisely why, in this paragraph:
This is a huge slap in the face, a big, "You're an idiot," to all the people who obeyed our immigration laws and actually waited in line to enter this country legally. When lawbreakers are rewarded and people who respect the law are treated like fools, expect more criminal behavior..............
posted by
Mademoiselle
on March 28, 2006 at 10:31 AM
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