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The same thing happened here recently when two drunk fellows vandalised a temple.But they were arrested and now the situation is in control
posted by
adventurer02
on September 16, 2015 at 1:10 AM
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Offbeats, all that you mentioned would be very appropriate.
But I would venture to guess that they'll get off a lot easier than we all would want. Not sure if that is justice, or grace or "the system."
Thanks, as always, for stoppin' by!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 11, 2006 at 8:14 AM
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Janes
I will lay you odd's they will be charged with arson, destruction of property, attempted manslaughter, and if justice is to be served... crimes of hate..Just my 2 cents..I think the attempted manslaughter will hold up on charge because they could not be certain there was no one in the churches at the time they were burned. My 2 cents again!!
PS. Obstruction of justice could be another charge...
posted by
Offy
on March 11, 2006 at 7:01 AM
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Good points, Justsouno. Good points!
Thanks for stopping and sharing.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 11, 2006 at 6:55 AM
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Burly, you're not behind on anything.
I was just feeling jaded and thinking -- what if people did this same thing to Mosques. I bet they would be charged with a hate crime. But when it's a crime committed against Christian churches, it becomes arson. Anything committed against Christianity seems to receive a lower punishment. People can get away with more when committed against Christians. Get my drift???
Thanks for stopping and questioning!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 11, 2006 at 6:54 AM
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Jane
I'm behind on this one. Were the arsonists Muslims? I haven't read anything that indicates that but I may have missed something. I have a problem with this whole "hate crime" thing. Our laws don't distinguish between crimes. They're crimes. If I kill someone, its murder. If I kill someone because I hate them, its still murder. Do you hang me twice?
posted by
Burly
on March 10, 2006 at 10:01 AM
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Jane's I don't know what they will file under.
I hope the crime fitting this with the most teeth in it. These fellows will get a big fine! A long time and they will serve the most of it. Personally I believe it is worse than a hate crime. People who are indifferent to those they consider to be less in so many ways are already committing crimes, just not in property damage. I wrote about this. I am right here in the stir of it and it is not being taken lightly. A hate crime, in my opinion, has something to gain, some score to even. This was so worse they were just goofing off and decided to burn a church. Then burned more to detract.
We don't have that number of the churches charged to them here. The fact that they are privileged and still doing this to less privileged here will go way-way bad against them.
posted by
Justi
on March 9, 2006 at 7:17 PM
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Straightforward, to borrow your name,
in the US at least, I don't believe the hate crimes laws are at all straightforward! Anything but.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 9, 2006 at 6:20 PM
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Of course it's a hate crime by my understanding.
But what's the definition of hate crime in US?
posted by
Straightforward
on March 9, 2006 at 3:34 PM
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I would HOPE she has already been stripped of her
teaching credential. If not, the FL officials have only themselves to blame should she commit another crime. Good grief, what is this world coming to?
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 9, 2006 at 7:48 AM
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Yes, It is the Same One
She knows what she is doing! I may sound sexist, yet if a man was accused twice, he would not get off so lightly. She needs to be treated as a man!! No, house arrest is not enough. Strip her of her teaching certificate and incarcerate her. She can get therapy there, for they have jails for the criminally insane!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on March 9, 2006 at 6:19 AM
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Yeah, Doc, what's up with these teachers having sex with their
students? It seems to be the rage. Are you talking about that Lafave woman or someone else now? That's awful. I heard on the news last night that, regarding Lafave, if the case went to trial they were thinking about an insanity plea since she has bipolar disorder; however, three of the six psychiatrists believe she is sane, while the other half believe she is insane.
I am 100% certain she knew what she was doing when she committed those acts. And NOW it's finally time to take responsibility for the wrong she has committed.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 9, 2006 at 5:48 AM
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scoop, that would be nice,
but in my jaded self I am 99% certain they won't get the maximum; rather, they'll cop this plea and that and do very little time -- particularly if this is the first major offense for any of them.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 9, 2006 at 5:45 AM
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MPO, I've read pros and cons about the hate crimes laws, and
think you have a very valid point. Thanks for sharing.
What's with the Greek??? on your sig line?
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 9, 2006 at 5:44 AM
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Offbeats, that's really good to remember.
No matter what sort of "justice" they receive here on earth, there will be a higher justice that we will all have to face some day. Thanks for stopping by!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 9, 2006 at 5:43 AM
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fourfive, if they're only charged with arson,
I hope they use this time in jail to think about their actions and mend their ways. I can see them copping some sort of plea agreement and getting NO time for their actions, and THAT would make JanesO hot under the collar!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 9, 2006 at 5:42 AM
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I Agree With You
There has been a tendency to glorify evil recently or has been all along and I am just seeing it now. In Florida yesterday a female teacher has committed her second act of sexual misconduct with a student. In one district she coped a plea and served no time. Now in another district, they are attempting to do the same since she admitted to two counts and want the sentences to run concurrent to protect the victim? What kind of nonsense is that?
That chick needs to be locked up and have the key thrown away forever. It is good that I am not a judge in any courtroom! 
These criminals and the ones who heard of me will forget criminal activity. I suppose this is why we have our roles to fill. 
Excellent post!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on March 9, 2006 at 5:20 AM
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It is hard to say what three college kids thinking but whatever it was
it wasn't good. I think there is more to it then as they say, it started as a joke. I hope they get the maximum for each fire.
posted by
scoop
on March 9, 2006 at 5:07 AM
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The so called "hate crime" statute was poorly conceived and has been incompetently implemented ...
they should "tear it down" and start over, seeing as their intentions were (presumably) good.
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posted by
Mademoiselle
on March 8, 2006 at 9:06 PM
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Janes
By all means this was nothing short of hate crimes. They should be tried as such too...plus arson, traspassing, endangering people, etc. I hope they go away for a long time to come!! Plus after all that, they still have a higher power to answer to.
posted by
Offy
on March 8, 2006 at 8:56 PM
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I think because they are students they will be probably charged with arson, but i agree with you
posted by
fourfive
on March 8, 2006 at 8:27 PM
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