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You end up straying as far off the subject as liberals do.

posted by SlyCy on May 18, 2004 at 7:49 AM | link to this | reply

Excellent Analysis

Yes the liberals opposed slavery, but inefectively see the Dred Scott decision.  It was only when then conservatives were convinced that the society was broke, slavery allowed the legal rape of women, that American Society took the action necssary to end slavery.  The liberals started the Civil War the conservatives ended it.

posted by Uncle_Dan_02 on May 17, 2004 at 7:04 AM | link to this | reply

The old saying "power corrupts" may be correct, but I have observed differently in my life's travels. The moral corruption is a pre-existing condition in a person, and if they gain power, OF COURSE they will use it in a corrupt and evil manner. Some leaders are virtuous, and do not allow power to corrupt them. But this begs the question, to whom should we give power? And the answer is: to the person who we think is the least corrupt, before they gained power. But this begs the question, what is corruption, what is morality? And all the mud-slinging begins, conservative and liberal. Let us try to forget labels, and judge arguments on their own merits. But there is definitely a general liberal argument that is very powerful in society today, that is very different from liberal arguments of decades and centuries past. I think the so-called "conservative" movement of today is really just a backlash resulting from so-called "liberalism" going too far away from many traditional moral values that are still valid. That is what I was trying to say in this blog.

posted by GoldenMean on September 13, 2003 at 12:15 AM | link to this | reply

posted by GoldenMean on September 13, 2003 at 12:00 AM | link to this | reply

Yes there is that slavery issue

Yes, you are absolutely right, I did skip right past slavery. My apologies. Slavery existed in sovereign America from 1776 to about 1862, let's call it a century. Liberals of that century who opposed slavery were outstanding heroes and heroines, and I salute them. They carried the highest standards of the liberal movement. I hope I would have been with them, if I lived during that time. BUT, this is a different time. Are you now stepping forward to defend affirmative action, which many blacks themselves oppose? I am, to accelerate this discussion, assuming that you support affirmative action. If I am wrong, I apologize. If I am right, I wonder how long you would say that we should have affirmative action, I guess another century or so, to even things up? But affirmative action is a racist policy. Two wrongs do not make a right. It just builds up hatred until there is a backlash.

I do not know if this is a conservative or liberal policy, but I say LET THE LAWS BE COMPLETELY COLOR-BLIND. We will never get all PEOPLE to be color-blind, but we can at least try to get our laws that way.

By the way, I have an adopted son of an ethnicity different from my own, whose skin is quite dark. So don't preach to me about accepting other races.

posted by GoldenMean on September 12, 2003 at 11:33 PM | link to this | reply

It's interesting

how this conservative skips right past our struggle to free the slaves.  Don't forget, dearheart, that power corrupts!

posted by _Decshak on September 10, 2003 at 10:10 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks, Mac

I saw an interesting speech on C-SPAN channel a couple of months ago by the president of the Objectivist Foundation, or something like that. I didn't know those folks were still going strong. He had excellent points about the war on terrorism, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Thanks for you compliment. I keep hoping I will see a comment here from someone defending extreme liberalism, but no luck yet.

posted by GoldenMean on September 1, 2003 at 11:29 PM | link to this | reply

very impressive

Golden Mean, we should have coffee.

 

I have briefly touched upon my distaste for the liberal agenda in only three postings but you have taken it places I could only hope to go. Keep up the good work, I will definitely be reading yours.

Ayn Rand is GOD to me

Macbilly1

posted by macbilly1 on September 1, 2003 at 4:54 PM | link to this | reply

An Interesting Idea, Willow

....if the Bible were being written today. I agree that MLK should be in it. If it weren't for the evil of one man who succeeded in shooting MLK, we would still have him with us today to inspire us. But did you know that another great man, President Kennedy, did not want MLK to conduct his famous March on Washington? MLK went against the President's wishes and did it anyway. Thank goodness that he did.

posted by GoldenMean on August 31, 2003 at 9:06 PM | link to this | reply

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I'm fifty and as much as I hate to admit it, Golden Mean, is correct.  This country was striving to resolve horrendous injustices and prejidiouses.  An insurmountable task.  I do believe MLK was here as a sevant of God and not Man.  If the Bible were still being scribed I do believe he would be in it.  I was only a child when he lived and the footage of his speeches still carry the weight of Holiness.  By the way, I am American Indian and was reared in a Southern state.  I still believe he was a messanger from our one true Creator and my one true God. . .

Willow

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posted by Gentle-Willow on August 28, 2003 at 11:07 PM | link to this | reply

There is no fog here

MLK was a great man, and his efforts led to great good. But his civil disobedience wouldn't have worked, if the American government and people weren't already on the side of goodness. Civil disobedience can't work if the government is truly evil. I will soon post a blog on the philosophy of Mahatma Gandhi, to make this point more clear.

posted by GoldenMean on August 28, 2003 at 10:59 PM | link to this | reply

GOLDENMEAN, I AM NOT SURE WHERE YOU STAND, BUT THIS PAST WEEKEND

We just celebrated Martin Luther King's 40th Anniversary of his "I Have A Dream Speech."    Maybe you should read it, and let its truths clear up your present fogging presentations.

posted by MountainClimber57 on August 25, 2003 at 8:52 PM | link to this | reply