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DV

Thanks for your support. I hope that Nuwriter reads your comment and realizes the errors of her argument.

More than any other religion, the Muslims are split into two camps: the Good and the Evil, the Right and the Wrong, the Peaceful and the Violent, the Accepting and the Rejecting. No other religion offers its believers a scriptural justification for the most depraved forms of violence: Mass Murder, Genocide, Slavery, Plunder, Sexual Abuse.

Muslims have the most difficult destiny of any religion: to validate their founder's messages of Peace and Love, while condemning their founder's messages of Violence and Hate.

Mohammed was the most successful founder of any religion, managing to reinforce his own personal philosophy, flawed and corrupt as it was, with the VOICE OF GOD. Now it is up to ethical Muslims to sort out what was the voice of Mohammed, and what may have been the voice of God.

GM

posted by GoldenMean on May 14, 2005 at 11:07 PM | link to this | reply

I tend to default to balanced views when I don't know any better, because I think people are balanced between good and evil (hopefully more toward the good!) so balanced interpretations usually strike me as more reliable. 

Thus Golden's position on Mohammed seems more plausible, being that it acknowledges the prophet's good and bad points.

Christianity was not the same thing as the Inquisition or the Witch Trials, and Islam is not the same thing as Terrorism.  But the Inquisition and Witch Trials are OVER; Islamic-militant terrorism is not. 

Christians had to take the initiative to soften, and eventually shuck, the persecutorial edge of their movement.  Now Muslims have to.  The ball's in their court.  Welcome to the 21st century; religion isn't supposed to be an excuse for murder anymore. 

That the vast majority of those who fail to realize this are Muslim does not indict Muslim per se, but its degree of development in the context of modernity. 

posted by Dyl_Pickle on May 10, 2005 at 8:05 PM | link to this | reply

Nuwriter did you notice

In this blog I presented 3 distinctly different views of Mohammed:
1) a neutral view from an encyclopedia
2) a favorable view from a Muslim scholar
3) a critical view from a Hindu scholar

While I made it plain that I agreed with the critical view, I presented the others first. It is up to each reader to make their own judgments. You have decided to judge me, as I judge Mohammed.

But the question for you is, how can you say that Mohammed is a messenger of peace, when he personally committed or directed so much violence and killing? Jesus did no such thing. Based on the actions of the founders, I would say that Jesus, not Mohammed, has the rightful claim to the title "messenger of peace."

posted by GoldenMean on April 29, 2005 at 4:38 PM | link to this | reply

Hello, nuwriter

My blog here is based on historical fact. Mohammed was indeed a messenger of peace and love, but it WAS NOT his ONLY message. He conducted many sneaky raids, military campaigns, and purges of Jews, and his armies slaughtered many thousands of people, and took many slaves and much plunder. Does that sound peaceful to you?

I embrace the peaceful believers of all religions, but I despise the violent believers. The terrorists may not be true Muslims, but THEY certainly THINK that they are true Muslims. Just as the bloody inquisitors of the Christian Inquisition thought THEY were true Christians.

The Muslim terrorists are committing a far more serious offense against Islam than you think I am. Why don't you go scold them? Because they will kill you, instead of just having a discussion as we are here.

posted by GoldenMean on April 27, 2005 at 9:24 PM | link to this | reply

TERRORISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM!

posted by nuwriter on April 27, 2005 at 2:10 PM | link to this | reply

 I understand the point of Free speech, but how dare u stereotype other religions due to your lack of understanding.  You have NO right to judge anyone!   ISLAM, is a religion of peace, Prophet Muhamad was a messenger of Peace!  Despite what u may think, I am sure , u would not like anyone to judge your religion in such a HORRID manner.  May God help you!

posted by nuwriter on April 27, 2005 at 2:09 PM | link to this | reply

Curly-Jo

Thanks for your contributing information. So Muslim teachers are actually dipping children's hands in red paint to simulate blood. What sick-o's.

Most of those indoctrinated children will grow up to hate all that Americans hold dear. They will try to kill us. We must try to kill them first.

Is John Kerry capable of such pre-emptive action? By his own proclamation, he is not. He says he will take America to war only when he HAS TO, not when he WANTS TO.

This entirely ignores the imperative moral consideration, that we go to war when we SHOULD DO SO, according to moral principle.

But no one has ever accused liberals of adhering to moral principle. They avoid it like the plague.

I don't know who is more difficult to fight, the extremist Muslims with their violent beliefs, or the extremist Liberals with their pacifist beliefs.

posted by GoldenMean on July 30, 2004 at 9:56 PM | link to this | reply

You've pretty much nailed it.

I do not think that Islam will be reforming any time soon.  The children are being taught in schools that terrorism is good.  They strap bombs on and have plays depicting massacres and dip their hands in red paint to signify the blood of the enemy, which is anyone who isn't Muslim.  This is all government sponsered education.  The ultimate goal of Islam is world domination. 

posted by Curly-Jo on July 29, 2004 at 8:40 PM | link to this | reply

Is there anything you havn't done Golden? I'm waiting to hear of your experience with the Intuits north of the arctic circle! This post addressed some things i'd been wondering about. My questions are, is jihad expressed in the Koran (i forgot the othe spelling) or is it expressed in the saying and implied in the Koran and are there any Muslims that reject the sayings outright on the grounds that if Gabriel had meant it he would have said it outright?

Also i was a little confused by your allusion to Protestantism, which was much more absolute than the worldly Catholics of the time (at least until the council of Trent), and rarely shied away from violence in the name of doctrinal truth over the first 200 years of its existence.

I have hopes for Iran, even if the clerical government stays in power. The persians have always been a secular people and that seems to be coming through again. I recall one poll after 9/11 where Iranians largely thought we were justified in relaliating against the Taliban. Of course Iran has little love lost for either the Taliban or the Baathists, but it says something when the "evil empire" is considered justified in retaliating against fellow muslims. The signs in Iran right now remind me a little of the signs in eastern europe shortly before their fall. The clerics may not fall, but i think, unless there is a major violent crackdown, that the tension associated with Iran is going to sofen and the country as a whole open up.

posted by rovesciato on November 18, 2003 at 11:22 PM | link to this | reply

Dear Palmhaven

No, I had not heard about that. Thank you for pointing that out. It is difficult to find time for adequate research. I was sure you knew a great deal more than me about Mohammed, that is why I asked for your worthy comments.

I am used to being on lists, and I am sure you are too. Let us continue trying to bring evil into the light.

posted by GoldenMean on August 23, 2003 at 7:10 AM | link to this | reply

Al Hubidayah

Dear Golden Mean,

Have you ever heard of Al-Hubidayah?   Al-Hubidayah was an oasis between Mecca and Medina.  When Mohammed first tried to take Mecca he was unable to do so.  The Qurashi were too powerful so Mohammed sued for peace. The peace treaty was the called the "Treaty of Hubidayah." Within two years he, Mohammed, had built up his army and attacked the Qurashi and took Mecca, slaughtering many.  Now, I am told, that this method is referred to in Islam as Takiya or the "faking of peace" to build up your forces.  It has been advocated most recently by Arafat and the Palestinians.  However, it is a lie.  The Lord of Lies is Satan.  Islam took as its symbol one of darkness and night not a symbol of light.  Jesus once said you know them by their fruits.  The truth of that statement has nothing to do with Him being the Son of God.  Indeed, I have seen enough of Islam to convince me of whom they really worship.  They need to call the evil into the light and see it can face the light. 

This will probably get us both put on somebody's list.  Pray take care. 

Palmhaven

posted by palmhaven on August 22, 2003 at 8:33 PM | link to this | reply

Ice Cream?

Wow, I should have been eating ice cream when I wrote that. But as to your question, I think my sources were good, and I think Americans need to know what is behind this incredible surge of Islamic terrorism. I do business with Muslims who are very good people, and they tell me amazing stories about their pilgrimage to Mecca. When I was in the Army, I sat down with 2 Islamic officers from Jordan, and partook of their evening meal during Ramadan. I stayed in touch with one of them for years after that. My point? Good Muslims are very, very good-- bad Muslims are very, very bad-- and we need to understand the doctrinal and historical reasons for that. And we must hope that Islam will have a reform movement, or we will have a whole new generation of Muslim terrorists to hunt down and kill. Nuff said?  

posted by GoldenMean on August 18, 2003 at 9:06 AM | link to this | reply

goldenmean, my goodness gracious, quite a long read. Few paragraphs, etc. made it difficult,

but I got a bowl of ice cream and read it all slowly.

And we are being presented with this information to..do...what..? Learn? I would have to go read the original books to believe, but, it is an interesting argument for Islamic reform, Which Will Never Happen....I'm afraid.

 

posted by benzinha on August 18, 2003 at 1:53 AM | link to this | reply